Hello Ringman. Butch just doesn't get it and we do. I did some rough cost calculations on fireforming by the way, and you and I and and some 10 other posters here based on their pet recipes. If you shot say 50 Sierras downrange with 50 grains or so of whatever powder the cost would be around 22 dollars. The cost of fireforming the same 50 cases using 11 grains of bullseye and cheap media whatever is about three dollars.

I have reloaded the 30-'06 since 1963 and the AI actually shines best with the 165 grain bullet out to 350 yards. Numbers and load. 165gr Accubond(Elk) or for deer BTip, 52.5 gr IMR 4064( I think "quick load" shows 53 gr as max, MV 3048 average of 3 shots. You can zero at 275 yards and sight in at +2.9 at 100 yards. Bullet rise/drop as follows. 100= +2.9, 200= +3.1, 300= -1.7, 350= -6.2 with a ME of 2085'/pounds at 350. Now, who needs a 300 Ultra Magnum that uses some 100 grains of powder, burns barrels in less than 200 rounds(reported, I have no empirical data) and has a near crippling recoil??? I love my Acklies and they are wonderful(IMHO) improved cartridges. And to get back to the original intent of this thread are very very easy and inexpensive to form. Regards, Rick.


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