I agree Dave, one I know who's a big guy carries a 243, he's about 300 pounds if not more and people use to make fun of him because him being a big guy and carrying a small gun, I learned you don't need a 30-06 and up, good grief I know guys who use short mags, 300's and 7 mags. it doesn't take much to take a Deer with one good placed shot from a 243, 25-06, 6mm or 257 roberts or 7 mm08 without all that recoil!! And that big guy has taken truck loads of Deer without 1 getting away from him!!