Killed two last year with the federal factory load using the 165gr gameking. Scary accurate out of the vanguard I was shooting. One nice size 6pt. Shot was about 80yds neck shot. Took out spinal cord and some vertabre with a half to 3/4 inch exit hole. Deer droped dead right there.

Second deer was a 100yd double lung shot on a average size buck, Deer ran about 40-50yds and left a good blood trail before dying. Good size exit hole on that shot as well.

Neither of those were shoulder shots, but from reading a lot of other hunters experiences with the 165gr gameking I wouldn't be afraid of taking a shoulder shot with the bullet. For whitetails, especially 'Bama size ones that run a little small I really like the 165gr gameking in the cup and core class of bullets.