A real good place to look is at a local trap range. Sometimes guys will throw them away or not pick them up when they are done shooting. I just ask if they are keeping them and if they mind if I take them if they arn't. Sometimes trap clubs sort their hulls that guys throw in the barrels and sell them for dirt cheap. Hulls are very hard to find at Midway (they are all on backorder!!). I would suggest buying a bunch of factory ammo, shoot them up and then reload the hulls. Like some here have said, the remington nitro and sts hulls are just as good if not better (IMHO). I use both AA and the gold nitro 27 remingtons. To be honest I prefer the nitros over the AA's because you get less pressures and you notice that in recoil especially when you are stuffing longshot and 1 1/4 oz of shot into them. My legal trap loads are Win AA hulls with clays powder @1170 to 1200 fps. though. Hope this helps, Chief.