Yeah an dif you REALLY want to impress a buffalo, try at 416 Weatherby like Layne Simpson says. That 400gr2700 really gets their attention! smile As to the 458, no doubt a proven and impressive killer, but it's almost like a double in that it is a specialized caliber for closer in work. There's just no getting away from the fact the 416 "Rs" are a great caliber and a lot more versatile. jorge

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