while the subject is on the reporting of 170 grain 30-30 ammo, i have had a bad experience with 150 grain Win hollow-points.

the one time i shot a deer with it, the copper shell split off at point of entry, and only the lead core penetrated.

required another shot, same thing, and then a drag back across a creek. the second shot caught him crossing the far side of the creek.

the copper jacket was recovered in the entry side of the skin. the lead interior was inside the deer.

not to get us too far off-subject, but my uncles always used the win. silverttips. mostly, i was a core-lokt fan before giving up and moving on to an '06.