Look at the 30-30 Winchester and all the Elk it has put down..With a 170 grain Core-Lokt, the muzzle energy is only like 1800 fpe and that is at the muzzle.Below, at the muzzle, what some guru's think you have to have to kill Elk.

It's all wrong.Numbers don't kill Elk,bullets in the right place do.

Tom264..I promise I will try harder in the future not to say stuff you will agree with. laugh

Jayco