260Remguy, Quick question - when was the last time you had a failure with the 85 HPBT ? My buddies and I have had nothing but great success using that bullet on deer for a very long time. I'm also pretty sure that Sierra beefed that bullet up several years ago and believe me, it's not that fragile anymore. Oh by the way, I totally agree with your load, except I prefer WLRP primers. Ben