Very true Brad just razzin' ya. laugh You know I don't shoot 300+ very often (haven't in 5-6 years) and only 400ish a couple times so absolute tack driver for my hunting rifle is not needed. Though I do carry it all the time so the lighter the better for my backpacking rifle. So long as I can still hit kill zone and knock 'em down is all I'm looking for. laugh

My Kimber is right at 5 pound 8 oz all up (empty mag) and still wish she was lighter, but will be money ahead shaving oz elsewhere now so I won't. laugh