I always used the 25g hornady HP over benchmark at about 4000fps and it was instant death on everything. I tried the 20g vmax at 4400 fps for a while but it didn't penetrate nearly as good and didn't kill as well as the 25 hp. I have several boxes of 25g vmaxes but didn't get around to trying them before someone talked me out of my 17. I need to dig them out and list em I guess.

Bb