Originally Posted by rattler
the Germans werent incompitant, Hitler thinking he was a great military leader and ignoring his real great military leaders is what caused them to loose....WWII could have easily gone another way, remember its not Germany that invaded Poland, Germany AND Russia both invaded and divided it up....Europe would look very different today if he would have stuck to its nonaggression pact with Russia let alone some of the other mistakes he made even after he invaded Russia......

Yep, plus his very disciplined and professional army from top to bottom.

It�s always a chilling thought to me that all of the effort it took for the western Allies to do what they did (USA, England, Canada, Aussies, New Zealand, Indian troops and a whole bunch of others combined )� interminably slogging up the boot of Italy for most of the war, the invasion of France, the broad front up and down France, Belgium and the Netherlands � all of that was to defeat approximately one third of the Wehrmacht.

One third. With one third of their total war material � fuel, food, ammunition, tanks, planes, artillery � the Germans held off the combined might of the Allies for as long as they did. The other two thirds were occupied fighting the Russians.

Can you imagine how much tougher Fortress Europe would have been to crack had we faced the entire German Army and all of their equipment?


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