THANKS. You actually helped with a little general 54 advice in 2010. I have managed 2 elk in 2 yrs there. Hunted w side last yr, was tough, did find a group of bulls and had guys open up on them from @1000 yds as we were sneakn in. Moved north and managed 3 cows for the 3 of us near keebler. I was hopin a drop would help get away from folks and maybe a better chance at a decent bull.