How about Win 71 348, Win 55 30-30 TD, pre-64 Win 88 308, Win 1886 45-70, Win 9422, pre-64 Win 64 30-30, pre-64 Win 94 30-30, Marlin 444ss, 336, Savage 1926 TD, and Savage EG from 1953? Think I forgot 1-2. Oh well. If the Hornady light mag stuff won't rattle your fillings, I'll give you some 444 loads that will---2MG