I routinely find that off the lands is better than .005" from the lands, and .005" is as close as I will load for a hunting rifle. I have had rifles shoot very well with bullets as much as .150" deep. Just this past weekend my 270 WSM shot a dramatically smaller group .030" deep than it did at .005, .010, .015, and .020.
Now on both of my BR rifles I start(ed) at the lands and jam. My current rifle seems to like .005 to .010" jam into the lands.
