[quote=rem141r}don't forget cold. unless you were near one of the heaters up front. then you roasted. i flew a lot of cross-the-pond flights with the web seats and after the first time, i wore longjohns, wore my shooting muffs and brought my own lunch. and it always seemed to me that 130 pilots thought they were flying an F15 or something. maybe it was just to give us guys in the back a thrill. [/quote]

I seem to recall the toilets in "cattle class" weren't exactly "luxury" either!