Razz- The worst part for me is we lived in the west for a decade before moving back to be closer to family. I don't like mine THAT much...
smoke- These two did get to ride in backpacks. Pretty easy as elk packing goes. 1.25mi from the truck as the crow flies, mostly all down hill. We weren't in a hurry so, 3 guys two trips each. I'd rather have done the conditioning and not need it versus the reverse. That said, my neighbor got his eyes opened a touch in the work and elk can take.
