Just passing this along for canon shooters or someone wanting to start messing around with DSLR. There is a good deal on a older 30D package in the classifieds. I emailed him and he sent some pics of the 70-200, it is a 70-200 f/4 L. Don't know what the teleconverter is. I think this is a great starter DSLR starter kit for a good price. I thought about picking it up just for the lens.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...non_Eos_30D_with_extra_lense#Post9527551