No arguing an accurate expanding 160-162 that penetrates is tough to beat at 2700 in a 708. Yet I feel a good spitzer in 150-154 might be in a sweet spot in this round. That said I dumped a buck w a 140 BT from a TCU at a fire forming load of 2000 - at 30 yds. Figure a 140 cup core at say 1950-2000 impact for good effect wink