I loaded and fired a couple test loads yesterday before running out of daylight. I had to really crank up the wad pressure to push it down to were it needed to be in the hull and it seems that 69 pellets fit best in the wad to give the best crimp. My Remington 870 turkey gun with a full choke didn't like them. The pellets were in small clusters of 6-8 with several inches between but my son's benelli with a mod. Choke patterned them more evenly but not as tight as I would want. I'll keep working with it.......