+2 on the Herter's from Cabelas for my 2 3/4" guns and then I cut the hulls to 2 1/2 and load them on my Mec 600 for my older Euro guns. It is pretty hard to load new 2 3/4" for less than the Herters when you can get the sale price.

After the first shot the rest are just noise.

Make mine a Minaska

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