In one of Cooper's old books ("Shooting with Cooper, O'Conner, Dunlap and Kerr") there's a great photo of Jeff doing a classic speed rock with a 1911. Cool haircut, too. Bob
I wonder how many of the people on this thread (as with just about every other "adequate self-defense cartridge/bullet" thread) have actually had to shoot someone in self-defense?
Is that a prerequisite for having a valid opinion?
Nope, just a question. It would, perhaps, give a bit more credibility to the "absolutes" that more than a few toss around on the subject, though, if they've actually had first-hand experience.
The only absolute that I can think of in a gunfight, is that there are no absolutes
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
RGK, gmoats never said that he thought that Yeager was good. You need to check your reading comprehension before you slam someone for no good reason. I think that you can learn something (but not everything) from just about everyone.
The idea is just shooting without extending your arms, right? Like the bad guy is right on top of you?
We just call it shooting from retention.
And that's as good a name as any because your firing by index, from a protected position. I call it the CQB Stage and it is fired from about six feet from the "Interview Position"; bladed into the target about 45 degrees with the left hand at chest level, like you're holding a pocket notebook.
On command you simulate throwing the notebook in the azzz... er assailant's face and return it immediately to your chest as you draw, lock your elbow to your ribs and stitch 3 rounds up the torso. You immediately step off on your strong side, shift the gun to your support hand and give him two more to the centerline or melon, your choice. The guys like this stage and most shoot it in under 4 seconds from a locked down duty holster.
I found this pic on the web, probably a better illustration of what I came to know as the Speed Rock, roughly 30 years ago. Believe I'd be using my left to give stick-boy a redirection of his priorities, though.
It's worth noting that everything "new" owes its existence to something developed long ago, and if anyone thinks the wheel was invented in your lifetime then you're just a silly fool.
Does that also apply to the people who think Jeff Cooper invented trigger pulling? Or was that actually new?
Cooper graduated from Stanford University with a bachelor's degree in political science. He received a regular commission in the United States Marine Corps (USMC) in September 1941. During World War II he served in the Pacific theatre on the USS Pennsylvania. By the end of the war he had been promoted to major. He resigned his commission in 1949, but returned to active duty during the Korean War, where he was involved in irregular warfare, and was promoted to lieutenant colonel. After the Korean War, the Marine Corps declined his application to remain on active duty. In the mid-1960s, he received a master's degree in history from the University of California, Riverside. From the late 1950s through the early 1970s, he was a part-time high school and community college history teacher.[1]
Just read in the paper about a cop chasing a creep that was shooting at him. Cop expended 4 rounds and missed. Then all kinds of shots were fired at the cop from others. Caught the perp when he was impaled by a fence trying to climb it. Might be better to issue fence posts.
[/b] Food for thought… … the depth of the average adult male thorax is probably no more than ten inches, from front of chest to back.[/b]
I'm not going to read the article, because I'm going to guess that they don't define "passed through someone" so as to distinguish your "through the thorax" from "clipped his pinky", thereby rendering the statistics useless. You can chide me if I'm wrong.
Beat me to it..
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69 Pro-Constitution. LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
It was proven the nine had more penetration then the ACP but if I was to carry, I would have the ACP. One shot stop! Penetration in and of itself it just not enough. I love it for hunting but boolit work inside an animal is what kills. I do not like energy figures. It is how it is applied.
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