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It's one of the three 1895's that were reworked by the new factory in Utica at the beginning of 1899 production. They shortened the barrel to 20", recrowned the muzzle, recut the front sight dovetail and installed an 1899 type bolt.






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David, nice little carbine, the 1895 carbine has eluded me so far !

Nice rifle with a lot of history. Are you going to put it on display or take it to the woods. What caliber? 303.Savage
Nice find!


Steve

David thats a dandy 1895! i n very nice shape! hope to see it in person one day!

I believe I once cradled that little beauty up here in the big country.

It'll definitely be in my display from now on. I'm taking it to the Winchester show in Cody on July 10th if any of you guys will be there let me know and we'll get together. I'm not displaying my collection there, just taking the carbine. David

oldgrouser, it came from Ontario. If anyone needs to import or export between the U.S. and Canada, I used Borderview. Everything went real well. I'd recommend them.

I recognized the leather sling.

Neat looking gun! Looking forward to seeing it at Cody.

Brad

Very nice David,
Yet another example of separating the Collectors from the accumulators.

The crown has me stumpted a bit not like any other early rifle I have seen? Did the early carbine all have the rounded crown? Stevers 1895 saddlering has a long barrel did this one start out as such?
Thanks Chris

Some documentation came in after I posted the photos. I'll photograph it and post a little later. It was a leftover 1895 when 1899 production started. The factory had three carbines that they shortened the barrels and changed to the 1899 conversion bolt. This is believed to be one of them. The factory letter shows it as being shipped June 29, 1899. David

Nice find on the Carbine David. Congrats. I look forward to seeing it at the next Fest.
John

The checkered 1895SRC in the museum down by Tulsa has an 1899 bolt in it also. Looks like the same front sight on both, though the rear sight on the Tulsa one is a late replacement. It didn't list the barrel length, but comparing them it looks to be 22" compared to your 20".

Beautiful gun, David!

It moved from one good home to another...nice purchase and will look good in the display. This is one of the better 1895 SRC that has turned up.

Now you need one of the early 1899's that shipped with 1895 wood.

..out of how many known to still exist?

-(this question from a dedicated accumulator, keeping the junk 99 market alive in the 21st century!)

I've got an 1899C, serial number 10449 with an 1895 forearm that numbers to the gun. I don't think I've seen an 1899 with an 1895 buttstock.
The 1895 SRC may become my favorite rifle. I may take it out and shoot some light reloads. The hole in the peep is really small and I might be able to hit pretty good with it.
I'll have to visit the museum in Tulsa. David

I think Mad Dog had an early 1899 with 95 wood. Memeory says he may have tore it down for the wood? So the crown looks right to everyone here?
Thanks Chris

That's a lovely carbine David, and a great addition to your collection. Congratulations!

Rod

Chris, I think the SRC and featherweights were always crowned.

Rick to me this one looks "right" pict 16
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when did that jack sight come out?

My only earlier 1899 carbine is a 38-55. I has a crowned barrel but it's not as obvious as the 1895 due to the thinness of the barrel.

Good job finding that one. Not many SRC's to be had. I think one would stand a better chance at finding a hen with teeth. Congratulations.

I sure tickled but broke. I won't be adding any more to the collection for a while.

LBK how about a few pictures of yours? Is there an accurate number on how many of the 1895's were carbines? I wonder how many muskets? 28" barrels? 30" barrels? Were there any longer than 30? And what about the trials rifles? The 1895 is a deep subject.

Here are photos of the documentation that came with the 1895. The letter is pretty interesting.

Very interesting information!

I can maybe help out in one regard. Rice-Lewis Co. is probably Rice, Lewis & Son hardware from Toronto. Here is a page from their 1898 catalog:

The carbine was purchased from "Bing" no more than 35 miles from the Toronto "Rice-Lewis" hardware store location where it was originally sold in 1899.
BillR

Here ya go........

That's pretty darn good circumstantial evidence.
Thanks for the pics, LBK. I can think of only 3 other 1895 carbines I've seen.

Thank You yours still has the 1895 bolt, what is the barrel length on yours? Did you letter it and when did it ship? I know a lot of questions.
Thanks Chris

David the info on your rifle is amazing! I am looking forward to your book.
Thanks Chris

I have a few over 400 1895's in my data (observed, reported and from log sheets). The last review I did was at a 355 sample size and found as follows:
Qty % Aprx qty of 5000
Carbines 20 5.6% 281.7
1895-A 132 37.2% 1859.2
1895-B 137 38.6% 1929.6
1895-C 60 16.9% 845.1
1895-D 6 1.7% 84.5
Total 355 100% 5000.0

Note that sampling is not truly random and I used a total production of 5000 units. Numbers should only be used to give a general picture of what was produced.

In my data I have 5 ea. 30" and 3 ea. 28".

Roe reported 96 muskets and 4 military carbines (?) shipped to the trials. Four of these muskets have turned up. It appears that at least some part of the trial guns were returned to Savage, modified and sold.

I have only seen 2 muskets that were not part of the trial and they were early production guns.

Plus we have a recent find of 2 documented Short Rifles that were not know to have been produced.

Given the small quantity of 1895's produced it is a model that we should be able to gather a fair picture of what was produced. If you have purchased, lettered or seen an 1895 that I might not have in my data I would appreciate you sending me a PM on it so I can add to the data.

Thanks Rick, that's great data. PM sent on my other two 1895's.

It has a 22" rnd barrel. Yes, there is a letter but it came with the gun when I acquired it. Regrettably, the line in the ledger is blank showing nothing but the serial number. It is almost center in a block of carbines. Seial number is 47XX. VERY close to David's gun.