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Even if this BS is accepted at face value, so what? You've already acknowledged that a people should be free to break away from a gov't that no longer represents them. The U.S. Supreme Court had ruled slavery legal less than a decade prior. Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States does it prevent a state or states from seceding. Nowhere in the Constitution does it grant the POTUS the authority to do what Lincoln did against the South.

Thus, you have a free people declaring independence from a gov't that no longer represents them and giving their legal, Constitutional rationale for the same. Conversely, you have a federal government listing its unconstitutional, illegal rationale for preventing said independence; and not once listing slavery as the reason behind the invasion.

Therefore, you're continually supporting an illegal, unconstitutional subjugation of an otherwise Constitutionally permitted secession based upon a revisionist agenda and rationale. Basically, you're contradicting that which you say a free people can and should be able to do because you "feel" that one of their rationales for such action is immoral.

That's a damned slippery, and damned dangerous slope you've put yourself on. Be prepared to slide down it to your own demise whenever the gov't decides that it "feels" some of your freedoms are immoral.

Gene, I think that you summed it up nicely. I know that you like Mike, and so do I, but I was raised in Arkansas and the schools were still teaching things a little different when I attended. Plus a lot of the old timers remembered a lot of stuff that they saw and was told by people that lived it. Story about a man that lived close to where I now live, and that is buried in the same cemetery that I will be buried, about a former Yank Soldier that stopped by his place years after the war. He would not give the former soldier a drink of water, but would water his horse. Told the former soldier to get his water out of the ditch. Very few slaves around where I live, but quit a few on the other side of White River where the soil was better for cotton. Of course my ancestors moved here from Mississippi after the war. miles

If your friend complained to me about the Confederate flag on public property, I WOULD be crass enough to tell him that I'm offended by driving on streets in our Texas towns named for a rabble-rousing, adulterous, sham of a christian preacher, but I accept it as blackmail paid by others, not me.

There's more'n a few Black Christian career military around here. Like most vets, most of the ones I've met lean Conservative, including the outspoken Minister of a major local church.

So dunno how he feels about Martin Luther King street, or Cesar Chavez Boulevard for that matter.

Anyways, what does that have to do with the flag issue?

Birdwatcher

and what is his position on the Stars and Stripes, that flew over his wife's ancestors for a much longer time? miles

Miles, the guy was career military, and now teaches those same values to high school kids.

What do you suppose his position was?

Birdwatcher

et's watch Birdwatcher as he once again avoid the logical argument about his fundamentally flawed position.

Hmm.... What was that about intellectual honesty?

I would be intellectually dishonest if I did not freely admit the logical inconsistencies in my position, but I have done so freely, since early on in this thread.

If the South had written into their Constitution several Articles that condoned and enabled child abuse, what would your own position be then?

Give me a straight answer.

SAKO, if you are the sort of man who knowingly and unapologetically repeats a lie, there is really nothing I can do for you.

Sako and 222Rem, my Black friend is a retired Military Noncom, I dunno how long he served exactly but obviously long enough for a comfortable retirement income.

At present he is employed by choice as an JROTC instructor at a large, lower-income urban high school, instilling values of honor, love of country and integrity into youth who sorely need such a role model. They love him, he loves them, over the years he has turned several lives around.

His position on the flag, as stated to me is, that flag flew over the enslaved ancestors of his wife, children and grandchildren. While he doesn't believe it is synonymous with hate, neither does he want it flown in state-supported locations.

You can ridicule his position if ya want, but I doubt you'd be crass enough to do it to his face.

There is no evidence Smithwick ever took military action against the Confederacy, he did stay out of the state thereafter so as to avoid righteous violence against those who had murdered his friends.

My guess is Illinois...

Miles, the guy was career military, and now teaches those same values to high school kids.

What do you suppose his position was?

If the South had written into their Constitution several Articles that condoned and enabled child abuse, what would your own position be then?

If the South had written into their Constitution several Articles that condoned and enabled child abuse, what would your own position be then?

Give me a straight answer.