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Isn't it though. And a darn fine effort to boot.

Everything came together to form the "perfect storm" in 2008. I don't give the Lefty knuckleheads all the credit, it seems that there's more to the U.S. sudden implosion...

Sudden???

This has been in the making since 1912.

antelope_sniper,



The problem with your desired theory is Apostle Paul's letters were immediately copied and sent out to other churches. One would have to be in charge of the original manuscript to accomplish what you want.

Since when does a state law trump the US Constitution?

In Oregon, they couldn't find a baker willing to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Or even a gay baker? On the left coast? IMO, these people were targeted and set up.

The jerk from the state that assessed the fine is known to attend gay functions and did donate to a gay organization in Portland.

I wonder when someone's going to ask a gay baker to cater their support traditional marriage rally.

Bb

No. They. Weren't.

Targeted or not, some laws should not be supported or enforced and shoudl have never been allowed on the books.

Was a better world before all this we all have to be even bullchit started.

I know, I"m somewhat in the enforcement business too and I see quite a bit of rules come down the pike that i have to enforce but totally disagree with.

My pat answer about dumb laws, is that I would not live in a town that had laws like ours, as I'd get in a fight with myself over enforcing them and I"d tell myself to GFmyself...Thats why I at least dont live in a city of any size and never intend to if I can help it.

It's frankly no skin off my nose if gays wed each other. I don't care what they do. I just want them to quit rubbing it in our faces and STFU about it.

We don't have any of the originals, or the copies of the originals, or the copies of the copies. The earliest fragments we have from Romans are dated to around 200 AD, and Romans 13.1-5 is not in that manuscript.

There are days I wish I could prove your suspicions were right.

Governments were not a plan of God. The Hebrews, while in the wilderness, demanded laws to live by. God reluctantly allowed it, eventually delivering the Ten Commandments, to Moses, on the mount.

Obviously, that only applies when the govt is in harmony with divine law. Otherwise, trying to overthrow Hitler would have been a sin.

Interesting how that passage stands out from the rest of the Bible. The entire Bible, from the tower of Babylon to the crowning of Saul, to Jesus' criticism of the rulers of Jerusalem and his pointing out the hypocrisy of rendering unto Caesar, is a warning against replacing God with government.

I only threw it out to stir the pot. I agree wit you but you are spoiling all my fun.

You toss em. I hit em.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

Jesus, for people with hard on about the "law", I can't understand how they have such difficulty following it, or getting all jacked up about enforcing faux law when real Constitutional issues like the border and invasion are ignored in the same breath.

Many states had no issue amending their Constitutions to define marriage (like they are supposed to), yet the Federal government can't follow its own rules and doesn't want to. Where is the Federal Amendment then? Where is the representative government?

Too many "free" people want to be ruled by a court or an elected jester; our government doesn't work that way, which is why its not working and why everyone who actually believes in the process is now a freedom hating bigot.....

All three Federal government branches are one big team that has been hell bent on circumventing the 10th Amendment and enough people seem to think that's the way it works, which is why its broke.

Can't agree with your version Scott.. Try this:


Romans 13:1-5King James Version (KJV)

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

GeoW,



That may have been crystal clear in 1611, but It does not communicate what the "higher power" is in the twenty-first century. AA uses "higher power" for its participants. They are encouraged to use anything they want as a "higher power".