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I learned some important lessons on the last two "ammunition runs". First, its a great way / excuse for manufactures to raise the price of product. Remember when a tray of primers use to cost $1.99?
Second, never have a "favorite" caliber. There were days I couldn't find powder so reloading was not an option. Purchasing factory ammo was like playing the lottery; which caliber were they going to have today?
There were days I couldn't find 30-06 or 270 but hey there is a box of 300W$M and one for the 6.5x55 SM. Carry as many calibers as you can afford.
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In terms of recoil, drop, drift, ass, velocity, yada, yada. I figure you gain in one spot, you lose in another.
I'm at 260/123's.......
What say the masses? "What cartridge / bullet combo has the most for least?" It depends on what you value most. There is no one right answer as it is a subjective opinion. Least recoil goes to my Remington Model 24 that I inherited from Granddad. It shoots .22 Shorts. Velocity goes to my .22-250, which hits over 4,000fps. Least drift probably goes to my 7mm RM. Least drop is probably the 7mm RM as well. Best ass, don't know but for sure it isn't on one of my rifles...
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Totally un-biased opinion here but it would be the 6.5x54 m/s with a 140 to 160 gr bullet. It has a fair history of game taken throughout it's career. You're very close. The 6.5 Jap is the real deal. Closely followed by the 22 Jet. Everyone else is WAY off base.
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In terms of recoil, drop, drift, ass, velocity, yada, yada. I figure you gain in one spot, you lose in another.
I'm at 260/123's.......
What say the masses? "What cartridge / bullet combo has the most for least?" It depends on what you value most. There is no one right answer as it is a subjective opinion. Least recoil goes to my Remington Model 24 that I inherited from Granddad. It shoots .22 Shorts. Velocity goes to my .22-250, which hits over 4,000fps. Least drift probably goes to my 7mm RM. Least drop is probably the 7mm RM as well. Best ass, don't know but for sure it isn't on one of my rifles... I was thinking along the lines of best balance, everything is a pile of concessions in one way it another.
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223 with 75's 243 with 105's 260 with 120-130's 708 with 162's
The more I shoot my 243 with 105's the more the other stuff collects dust
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Hornady 105 BTHP
I've thought about buying some Booger 105's to try but I've not done it yet.
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For deer, I've pretty much settled on 120's at 2900-3000. Could be 257, AI, or 25/06. No doubt 260 or Creed would be about the same.
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Hornady 105 BTHP
I've thought about buying some Booger 105's to try but I've not done it yet.
Do they work with a 10" twist?
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Not sure on the 10 twist, mine is a Rem 1/9.125".
My other 243 rifle is a Savage with a 1/10 twist that when you measure it is actually a 1/11 twist and it won't handle a 100 BTSP.
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22-250 and the 75 A-Max.
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Hornady 105 BTHP
I've thought about buying some Booger 105's to try but I've not done it yet.
Do they work with a 10" twist? No.
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Second, never have a "favorite" caliber.
There were days I couldn't find 30-06 or 270 but hey there is a box of 300W$M and one for the 6.5x55 SM. Carry as many calibers as you can afford.
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In all reality, it'd be hard to beat the .243 OR 6mm Rem, that in terms of "the most for least". The 6mms are NOT my favorite above all ( I have less 6s than other carts/cals) but they do a lot for their size.
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Hornady 105 BTHP
I've thought about buying some Booger 105's to try but I've not done it yet.
Do they work with a 10" twist? They worked outta the Tikka ten twist at 5000'.... but when the gun/loads got back to Commiefornia they wouldn't stay on paper. I'm with 'bore.... .260/Creed/x47 is super efficient, hits hard enough for all my big game pursuits, and is easy to shoot all day. 123/.540/2950 is a pretty bad ass box score for only 40-45 grains of go fast.
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Well, the 270 with 130gr NPs is tough to surpass. The 6.5x284 with 130gr. ABs is up there. I just started playing with a 257 Bob, so it may end up with top honors if it likes the 110gr ABs. Tim
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Hornady 105 BTHP
I've thought about buying some Booger 105's to try but I've not done it yet.
Do they work with a 10" twist? They worked outta the Tikka ten twist at 5000'.... but when the gun/loads got back to Commiefornia they wouldn't stay on paper. +1 It depends on conditions, barrel dimensions, and speed. I've had the 105AM shoot great out of 10" twist tubes, which is even longer than the HPBT...
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I'm with 'bore.... .260/Creed/x47 is super efficient, hits hard enough for all my big game pursuits, and is easy to shoot all day.
123/.540/2950 is a pretty bad ass box score for only 40-45 grains of go fast.
Makes a 260AI (gulp) tempting. Can't believe I said that....
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I find the 7-08 vs 260 comparison interesting. The 260 140 grain Berger has a BC of .615. You have to go to a 168 grain in 7-08 to better that (.617). Given equal pressures, the 260/140 gives about 100 fps more out of equal barrels. Hardly a big advantage, but it seems that hitting over long distances gives the 260 a slight advantage. Considering recoil, a larger advantage. Thus the reason you see the 260 in competition and not the 7-08. The 260 is a pet of mine, but it seems that apples-to-apples, the 260 gives more for less. In addition, no animal that I would shoot with a 7-08 on purpose, could not be taken cleanly with a 260. Anybody want to argue?
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