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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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that is an interesting counterpoint. I don't have one but wondered why?
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They'd be skookum if they had any eye-relief and an AO to remove the parallax.
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thanks I actually found one I was thinking of buying due to the rave reviews above.
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They'd be skookum if they had any eye-relief and an AO to remove the parallax. The ones I have are on mild kickers due to ER. The big scopes do have A/O. To me, they're a lot of scope for the buck. DF
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My point was that I had major parallax issues with the 2 I owned and I should need an AO on a 3-9x.
Eye relief sucks and there is no good reason to put up with it.
I didn't mention the 6500 because I've never held or smelled one.
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I have a 6500 2.5-16x42 on an HS SPL .240. I like the 2.5X for off hand shooting, killed a nice Pronghorn in NM, offhand at 80 yds. It was the only shot I was going to get. The low power made it easier for me to hold the gun steady.
At 16X, the eyebox gets critical and in dim light, I have to crank the power back a bit to see. The 50mm version may be better at dim light, but I've never handled one of those.
I have no experience with the higher powered 6500's and can't comment. I do have some experience with the 4200 Elite 6-24x40 discussed above.
DF Explain how the power of the scope made you steadier?I bet you are not physically steadier than at high power.Being on high power only magnifies how unsteady you really are. Yep, something about perception becoming reality. No steadier at 2.5X, just seems that way. You don't see your wigglies as bad and mess up trying to overcorrect. Just aim and make the shot. Good point. DF That's just it, you may actually wiggle more with higher magnification because the point of aim-eye-brain-nerve-muscle-point of aim-eye-... feedback loop over reacts.
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It looks like the 4500 series added the AO and has a 3.9" eye relief, at least with the 4-16.
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It looks like the 4500 series added the AO and has a 3.9" eye relief, at least with the 4-16. Did you see a price? DF
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No. It was on the Bushnell website, looking at the specs. But, there is this: http://swfa.com/Elite-4500-C12810.aspx
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I'd like to compare a 4500 next to a 4200.
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Only difference I saw right off the bat was different turret knobs.
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I got to compare the Japanese 4200 Elite 3-9x40 with the Chinese Limited Edition 3-9x40. Here are side by side photos of the two. Does the 4500 turrets look more like the Chinese version or the Japanese version? Limited Ed is left and bottom. DF
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Neither. Under the caps were stainless looking round knurled type knobs.
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Do you like the 4500 turrets more than the 4200 version?
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Just got the new Elite and the Firefly reticle is slightly different but still great looking for low light. Looks like a euro #8.
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you have the 4500? does it have adjustable parralax focus? Is it made in Chini. ?
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No an Elite 3-9 x 40. No Elites are made in China.
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The Limited Edition is Chinese.
When I compared the 3-9x40 Limited Ed. with the Elite 4200 3-9x40, I couldn't tell any difference in the glass. The Chinese version was slightly longer and slightly heavier. It had A/O, the Elite didn't. That could explain some of the weight difference. Overall it was a great scope.
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