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I doubt I would take that shot again but it was the right time on the right day. We had been shooting sage rats for three days. I was using a contender with a 14" barrel and a 10X Burris scope and we were shooting off a picnic table with sand bag rests. We has several rocks the squirrels like to climb all dialled in with the scope settings for each rock. A couple dozen does walked into the alfalfa and started chowing down. The owner told be to shoot one. I replied that August was not exactly deer season and I was without a tag let alone a doe tag. She reached into her purse and handed me a stack of about ten Ag tags. I shrugged my shoulders and looked into the field. There was a doe standing right next to the rock I had already dialled in. She presented me a spine shot just in front of the shoulders. A forty grand home swaged bullet using a spent 22 RF case for a jacked did the trick right away.

Now remember we had been shooting small squirrels off that rock for days. I was sure of the shot and I took it.



Who me? Sarcastic???? Never!

I do get sick of so called experts who never take the time to practice and to know their abilities and their guns. I remember seeing a magnificent buck in the back of a pickup that was finally brought down with the 12th shot. That was 12, counted them, 12 hits before the buck was killed. The proud "hunter" said that when threw in 20 pounds of pork it would make great sausage. He looked pissed when I asked him what he was going to do with 22 pounds of sausage.

I have ended several season with my tag unfilled having passes shot I was uncertain I could make but I have never lost an animal in the woods. I sleep well knowing that.

.22 Hornet at that distance shows ethics was the last thing. Good shot with no justification of even thinking about it.
Think anything will kill? How about a deer I shot with a .22 bullet full expanded in the neck? 1/4" penetration and turning green. Death eventually from poison.
I love the stupidity of some of you. You need to write gun books so all will be as stupid.

arrows found in deer,

Not enough, I gave a deer away and the man was cut by an arrow.
You are stupid hunters. I find more dead deer shot with large rifles from the stupid that think "my gun is so powerful it can't fail." It is nothing to find 10 or more when I hunt shrooms in the spring. It is you "Experts."
Once I pull the trigger it means to find the deer if it takes all day or night.
Last season my friend seen a buck go into brush and not come out. We found it dead, shot with a neighbors .308. We waited and he never tracked it. I told my friend to take it. I would not go next door to tell the ass I found his deer
most of you fit this category.

Who would I want to hunt with? Whitworth. A no bull crap hunter. Most of you would not be welcome. A PH with a blowhard that he needs to save. You need a .22 or .32 for a bear to weed out the gene pool.

BFR, what's your idea of a good pistol shooter?





Evidently it doesn't involve stationary targets at ten yards, so I'm curious.

You have absolutely no clue as to what category hunter anyone else on this thread, or anywhere other than your area of WV (at best) is.

First is one that can hit. Then weed out anything that does not work. Might be more important in the end. A pistol or revolver can go from one end to the other. Bullet/boolit performance should not be taken lightly.
I have taken deer over 120 yards with revolvers but there is a difference between there and 20 yards. It is not easy and what works at 10 yards will fail at 100 or 50. You might hit at 300 yards with a scoped pistol but does the bullet work?
It is ALWAYS the bullet. Hard cast can fail and so can soft HP's.
The worst thing to listen too is bullet placement since anything can work from the .22 up but not many can hit with precision. Too many with head shots with a spotlight Most can't hit an elephant size deer.

The only thing that actually answered my question about a "shooter" was "can hit".

From a guy who can't, at ten yards.

So, in considering this and applying it to your castigation of Scott_F's shot, here's the situation.

Scott can hit, and damned well, with a handgun. First order of business down. The bullet he was using is one that he knew worked well, as he'd been shooting those same bullets all week and saw how they performed. Second order of business down. His placement was surgical, because he'd been shooting MUCH smaller targets at exactly the same spot all week. Third order of business down.

The man laid all that out as to why the shot was taken and the results, and even said that the conditions were perfect otherwise he wouldn't have even thought about it - and wouldn't do it again.

Sounds like he passes muster. You might want to retract your insults to him.

BTW, my comments to Scott were not meant as an insult, if taken as such, I apologize…..just really really amazed and impressed at a shot and result that far exceed my meager ability with a rifle.

Yours weren't, and weren't the subject of my post.

You are better because you live somewhere else. I read stuff where deer were shot at out west and if they did not fall. Wait for another. You must have missed. You pull the trigger and the animal must be dead. It is the same all over, your gun is so good you do not have to get off your butt.
I would not let you hunt here. I will not go on my knees with a fishing lantern all night to find your deer. I know exactly what you are. The life of an animal is just more dirt on the road. Keep shooting until one falls
Can't bait but can plant a field and hunt from a house on stilts. Shoot from a rest and call yourself a great hunter. Sick SOB's.

I hunt primarily east coast, and a lot of it in the Blue Ridge and National Forests of VA and WV, as well as the swamps on the eastern shore of DelMarVa chasing Sika deer. There are occasional trips to the Rockies to chase elk, including one this fall, and those go into Wilderness areas with elevations of up to 14,000 feet where we backpack in, stay the duration, and backpack out. There's no bait pile, there's no "shooting house", there's no "off sticks", and there's none of that BS you're spouting. IF you get a shot, it's coming quick and you make the most of it. I learned to blood trail deer YEARS before I went deer hunting; my grandfather and my uncles made sure of that. They'd take me to where they'd killed a deer, often many hours before, and have me start the trail where they shot and follow it to the gut pile.

I've never had to use a lantern to find any deer I've ever shot, but I've helped follow a few that were shot RIGHT at dark by using a flashlight. The shot was good; the deer were found. You shoot a Sika in those swamps, and it will change the way you trail something from then on out. Blood in the water dissipates fast, and vegetation that runs 8' to 10' high as thick as dog hair doesn't leave much for long range visibility. Think of laurel and rhodo thickets, but in the water, and you might have a clue (if you can think).

I'm not a "great hunter". I'm just a hunter, and I try to get better every season.

You "read schit", but you spout even more of it. You keep going on about how no one on here is any kind of good or decent hunter and you haven't a clue about any one of them; who they are, how or where they hunt, or what they've done. You're proving yourself more and more of a buffoon every time you stroke a keyboard.

Not the way I took it my friend. Heck I would question that shot had I had not made it.

But it does go to prove that clean kills can be made with small bullets. Disrupt the central nerves system and you have yourself a dead animal of any kind. That I believe was the intent of the OP.

I liked blaming the wrong bullet choice and poor shot placement on gun writers. That was about the time I put him on ignore.

Almost as good as the biological impossibility of a deer shot through both lungs with a .458" slug NOT bleeding at all for over 100 yards.

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The worst thing to listen too is bullet placement since anything can work from the .22 up but not many can hit with precision. Too many with head shots with a spotlight Most can't hit an elephant size deer.


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That's fuggin sig line material right there

Those 45-70s are pretty poor at killing. Ask Sitting Bull if you don't believe me.

I don't think I'm high enough for this thread to make sense.

Been following this a long time.. Why doesn't his friend Whitworth come to his aid or defense?? I enjoy hearing what some of you have to say and it makes sense.. But it also seems foolish to waste one's time and effort arguing with someone who is certain no one is his equal.. Carry on if you like, but I feel most of you are wasting your time with this guy..