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I ordered an 84L when they 1st came out. The stock was so twisted and stressed the barrel was close to coming out of the stock near the end of the forearm. The inletting was atrocious. I called Kimber and they agreed to replace the stock. When it arrived back it looked like it had been drug around the shop for a few days. The metal was all scared up. A brand new rifle that looked like it had been riding under my truck seat for a few years.
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Got two Montana's - 280 AI and 325 WSM , both good shooters. Wouldn't hesitate to buy another. Terry
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My .260 and .223 are/were fine from the box. Those that friends grabbed were the same. Lucky I guess...... Now I'm looking at a .308 just to consolidate the safe. I think I'm in the wrong place to be discussing "cutting back" 
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I will have a Montana in 7mm saum in a couple weeks.
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Bought my one and only Montana a few years ago. While I didn't reload for it I tried 5 or so different factory loads (30.06). Best I got was about 2 in. At 100 yards. I had to sell it because I needed the money. I wouldn't buy another though. Today my mountain rifle is a Ruger Compact in .308
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Bought my one and only Montana a few years ago. While I didn't reload for it I tried 5 or so different factory loads (30.06). Best I got was about 2 in. At 100 yards. I had to sell it because I needed the money. I wouldn't buy another though. Today my mountain rifle is a Ruger Compact in .308
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Picked up a 7mm-08 Montana here about a month ago it shoots great and super light at 5lbs 14oz with scope and rings.
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I've long coveted an 84m, and figured 'kimber roulette' was just a few unhappy, picky curmudgeons. I saved up my pennies and after perusing all the online outlets found the classic select that had walnut that met my standards, and ordered it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz263/randy182/image_zpsyhmstd7z.jpg) First impression was great. What a well designed, balanced, and aesthetically pleasing rifle. I loaded the magazine and started jacking rounds through. Huge gouge in each brass. Sticking my pinky in I could feel a burr the size of a Volkswagen on the feed rail. Whatever. Annoying, but not a deal breaker. I took the gun in to my smith to have the rail polished. He stuck his flashlight in the chamber and found this- ![[Linked Image]](http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz263/randy182/image_zpspaa7toss.jpg) I have no idea what happened, but it's mind blowing to me that the chamber on a $1300 rifle can look like that. Customer service was somewhat helpful, my rifle is back in Yonkers, and I've got a hunt in Alaska next month that I'll be taking my Ruger on. I'm sure the vast majority of their rifles perform as they should, but obviously from my sample they've got some serious quality control issues. Good Luck! Here is a Kimber chamber thst is (within Kimber specs per Sergio) [img:center]http:// ![[Linked Image]](http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab237/portwood0341/photo_zpstuuvr5ax.jpg) [/img] That's just sad.
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I purchased one of the first Montana's off the line in 270 WSM. Never shot well, worked on it off and on for a few years to get it within 1.5 MOA. Bedding, barrel lapping, feeding work, etc. Unchambered a long load and the bullet stuck in the lands one day in the field. All I had to remove it was an arrow shaft. The shaft fit perfectly and dropped right down the barrel to within 6 inches of the throat and stopped. Obviously the barrel had considerable variation on inside diameter, and in the wrong direction. Tight throat and loose muzzle explains why I had such a hard time getting it to shoot. It's still sitting in the safe but no confidence to take it out.
Here is my question. Is it worth the gamble to spend the money to rebarrel? My gunsmith advised against it saying in his experience with them it's 50/50 if a new barrel makes the poor ones shoot like one would expect. He advised to sell it and start with a more consistent performing action. Thoughts or experience from anyone?
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I purchased one of the first Montana's off the line in 270 WSM. Never shot well, worked on it off and on for a few years to get it within 1.5 MOA. Bedding, barrel lapping, feeding work, etc. Unchambered a long load and the bullet stuck in the lands one day in the field. All I had to remove it was an arrow shaft. The shaft fit perfectly and dropped right down the barrel to within 6 inches of the throat and stopped. Obviously the barrel had considerable variation on inside diameter, and in the wrong direction. Tight throat and loose muzzle explains why I had such a hard time getting it to shoot. It's still sitting in the safe but no confidence to take it out.
Here is my question. Is it worth the gamble to spend the money to rebarrel? My gunsmith advised against it saying in his experience with them it's 50/50 if a new barrel makes the poor ones shoot like one would expect. He advised to sell it and start with a more consistent performing action. Thoughts or experience from anyone? Find another gunsmith. David
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I purchased one of the first Montana's off the line in 270 WSM. Never shot well, worked on it off and on for a few years to get it within 1.5 MOA. Bedding, barrel lapping, feeding work, etc. Unchambered a long load and the bullet stuck in the lands one day in the field. All I had to remove it was an arrow shaft. The shaft fit perfectly and dropped right down the barrel to within 6 inches of the throat and stopped. Obviously the barrel had considerable variation on inside diameter, and in the wrong direction. Tight throat and loose muzzle explains why I had such a hard time getting it to shoot. It's still sitting in the safe but no confidence to take it out.
Here is my question. Is it worth the gamble to spend the money to rebarrel? My gunsmith advised against it saying in his experience with them it's 50/50 if a new barrel makes the poor ones shoot like one would expect. He advised to sell it and start with a more consistent performing action. Thoughts or experience from anyone? send it to Pac-Nor. It won't be cheap but it will work when they are through with it.
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Only a sample of one but no issues here. ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z209/aheider_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0977.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z209/aheider_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1009.jpg)
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I purchased one of the first Montana's off the line in 270 WSM. Never shot well, worked on it off and on for a few years to get it within 1.5 MOA. Bedding, barrel lapping, feeding work, etc. Unchambered a long load and the bullet stuck in the lands one day in the field. All I had to remove it was an arrow shaft. The shaft fit perfectly and dropped right down the barrel to within 6 inches of the throat and stopped. Obviously the barrel had considerable variation on inside diameter, and in the wrong direction. Tight throat and loose muzzle explains why I had such a hard time getting it to shoot. It's still sitting in the safe but no confidence to take it out.
Here is my question. Is it worth the gamble to spend the money to rebarrel? My gunsmith advised against it saying in his experience with them it's 50/50 if a new barrel makes the poor ones shoot like one would expect. He advised to sell it and start with a more consistent performing action. Thoughts or experience from anyone? Sent mine to IT&D for a rebarrel it shoots great now.
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Tikkas are cheaper and shoot as well or better.
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Tikkas are cheaper and shoot as well or better.
P There is no comparison between the feel of a Tikka and a Montana. A few Tikkas have passed through my hands. Never really bothered to shoot one.
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Why would you, after holding a montana?.....
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Tikkas are cheaper and shoot as well or better.
P There is no comparison between the feel of a Tikka and a Montana. A few Tikkas have passed through my hands. Never really bothered to shoot one. I'm not interested in the "feel", only the performance. As I think back to the numerous Montanas I owned, there were a few that were great out of the box. There were some that were stinkers too - in fact all 4 Kimber .257's were bad. Never tried a .260 cause a buddy had one that was ridiculously awful. So while we see some talented fellows here can tweak a Montana into a performer, the lowly Tikka just performs right out of the box - at half the price. An upgrade to the Tikka T3 is a Sako 85 Classic if you just can't stand copolymer stocks. In between is a Tikka Hunter with blue and walnut. Its all good and great to have choices.
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Tight throat and loose muzzle explains why I had such a hard time getting it to shoot. Find another gunsmith. David I agree with David. As far as a tight throat, are you sure you don't have carbon build-up in the barrel? Right in front of the chamber is where it would be.
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Tikkas are cheaper and shoot as well or better.
P There is no comparison between the feel of a Tikka and a Montana. A few Tikkas have passed through my hands. Never really bothered to shoot one. Unfortunately I agree with this. I have had 5-6 Tikkas, a 595, 695 and several T3s. Calibers from .223 to .300 win mag to include a 6.5 swede, two .270s and even had a T3 surgically altered to a 280AI that shot lights out. I want to like them but for some reason always send them down the road. Model 70s are my favorite which makes the lightweight Montana a no brainer. After reading all the spotty reviews spanning several years I finally rolled the dice with the 84L and now wish I had done it sooner. I still recommend the T3 to anyone who is interested and will probably own another.
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Never tried a .260 cause a buddy had one that was ridiculously awful.
One? That's a HELL of a reason..... Maybe if'n ya had a 'buddy' with a good one, you wouldn't be so fugged up.
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