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2002 Toyota Tundra Limited Access Cab 4D $12,435
2002 Ford F150 King Ranch Super Cab Short Bed 4D $11,220
Thats what I got when I ran the same info for my area with both trucks being 4x4 and I'd bet the king ranch model cost more to start,,,,not putting that much time into checking it out. For me being American means being able to buy whatever the heck I want.
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I just wish Toy would put more manual trannys in their trucks and geeezzzzzz why not a deisel???????
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I believe with the ULSD fuel and emissions requirements Toyota will now be offering diesels. They have made excellent diesel engines for years, but due to some sort of import restriction they could sell more gas powered trucks than diesel, so they never offered diesels in the states.
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It's also kinda curious someone metioning the thousands in savings for a domestic truck because the money is so important would plan on a trade in. If money is important, then sell the truck private party and pocket the few thousand difference. Better still, get a toy truck and drive it for 10 years, so you have 5 years with no truck payments.
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I like it how the Patriotic theme always comes up. I remember Pearl Harbor, a great uncle was there. I remember him limping around from wounds. My grandfather landed on Omaha beach and was shot 3 times during the course of the war. I still buy German and Japanese goods if they are the best. It is called forgiveness. Pride in this country? I have been in the US Navy for over half my life (raised my hand 20 years ago) and all my adult life. Don't talk to me about pride in the USA.
Stetson, my challenge to your friends at Ford/Chevy/Dodge is make a better vehicle and I'll buy it.
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Pride in country - worked Naval intell for 4+ years - went to the recruiter Sept 12, 2001. Voluenteered for Iraq and Afghanistan 2x each. (turned down due to my importance in the intell wheel) Your back handed snide comment on Toy driver's not having pride in their country is noted. I know where I stand. I also saw the many shops and places springing up around the Toy plant in Tx - staffed and run built by Americans. Vehicle Highlights
Mileage: 85,000
Engine: V8 4.7 Liter
Transmission: Automatic
Drivetrain: 4WD
Selected Equipment Change Equipment
Standard
Air Conditioning
Cruise Control
Dual Front Air Bags
Power Steering
AM/FM Stereo
Tilt Wheel
Cassette
Optional
TRD Off-Road Pkg Power Door Locks Bed Liner
Power Windows Sliding Rear Window
Blue Book Trade-In Value
Trade-in Value is what consumers can expect to receive from a dealer for a trade-in vehicle assuming an accurate appraisal of condition. This value will likely be less than the Private Party Value because the reselling dealer incurs the cost of safety inspections, reconditioning and other costs of doing business.
Vehicle Condition Ratings Check Vehicle Title History Excellent
$10,325
"Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks new, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. This vehicle has never had any paint or body work and is free of rust. The vehicle has a clean title history and will pass a smog and safety inspection. The engine compartment is clean, with no fluid leaks and is free of any wear or visible defects. The vehicle also has complete and verifiable service records. Less than 5% of all used vehicles fall into this category.
Good
$9,560
"Good" condition means that the vehicle is free of any major defects. This vehicle has a clean title history, the paint, body and interior have only minor (if any) blemishes, and there are no major mechanical problems. There should be little or no rust on this vehicle. The tires match and have substantial tread wear left. A "good" vehicle will need some reconditioning to be sold at retail. Most consumer owned vehicles fall into this category.
Fair
$8,240
Vehicle Highlights
Mileage: 85,000
Engine: V8 5.4 Liter
Transmission: Automatic
Drivetrain: 4WD
Selected Equipment Change Equipment
Standard
Air Conditioning
AM/FM Stereo
Dual Front Air Bags
Power Steering
Cassette
ABS (4-Wheel)
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XLT
Tilt Wheel
Bed Liner
Power Windows
Cruise Control
Blue Book Trade-In Value
Trade-in Value is what consumers can expect to receive from a dealer for a trade-in vehicle assuming an accurate appraisal of condition. This value will likely be less than the Private Party Value because the reselling dealer incurs the cost of safety inspections, reconditioning and other costs of doing business.
Vehicle Condition Ratings Check Vehicle Title History Excellent
$9,550
"Excellent" condition means that the vehicle looks new, is in excellent mechanical condition and needs no reconditioning. This vehicle has never had any paint or body work and is free of rust. The vehicle has a clean title history and will pass a smog and safety inspection. The engine compartment is clean, with no fluid leaks and is free of any wear or visible defects. The vehicle also has complete and verifiable service records. Less than 5% of all used vehicles fall into this category.
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$8,850
"Good" condition means that the vehicle is free of any major defects. This vehicle has a clean title history, the paint, body and interior have only minor (if any) blemishes, and there are no major mechanical problems. There should be little or no rust on this vehicle. The tires match and have substantial tread wear left. A "good" vehicle will need some reconditioning to be sold at retail. Most consumer owned vehicles fall into this category.
Fair
$7,595
Basicaly the same 2 trucks for my zip code. 1000 better on the Toy at trade in. Those are my facts.
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a deisel with a 6 speed manual in a 4 door tundra and I'd pay several thousand extra
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As to Pearl Harbor, yes I remember it well, and I've been there. My uncle never made it back from Iwo Jima.
That said, I don't see how that relates to the big three making mediocre quality vehicles for decades??? I also don't see why I should spend my hard earned money on mediocre products.
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Funny someone can interpret purchasing a Toyota as not having pride in our country...
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The company I work for uses chevy suburbans in 1/2 ton 4wd. Most are loaded models leather auto everything.They maintain them constantly with their own mechanics and GM mechanics. Its a full time job just keeping these pieces of [bleep] going. They can't keep a tranny in one and 4wd is out constantly. Its 90% highway miles on top of it.
They ran dodge 3/4 ton vans before and for a dodge they were impressive. Many running around still with 400,000 miles. Dodge dropped their vans though.
A friend of mine bought a yukon xl and had 700 miles on it before the tranny went tits up in the middle of BFE.
Buy a tundra. I've had two differant toyota pickups and managed to put 300,000 miles plus on each with little more then new tires,batteries and tune ups.
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For me being American means being able to buy whatever the heck I want. Enuff said.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Funny someone can interpret purchasing a Toyota as not having pride in our country... It might help to read the entire post your quoting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> "The great thing about America is that we have a choice. Did you know the AVERAGE Japaneese customer will pay up to 20% more for a given product as long as it's made in Japan? They are pride driven, not value driven. Wouldn't it be great if we had the same pride in our country? " Freedom of choice. It's a beautifull thing. I choose to support my family and neighbors.
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"Pride in country - worked Naval intell for 4+ years - went to the recruiter Sept 12, 2001. Voluenteered for Iraq and Afghanistan 2x each. (turned down due to my importance in the intell wheel) Your back handed snide comment on Toy driver's not having pride in their country is noted"
Then clearly you are aware that Toyota has been supplying Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and The Taliban with vehicles for years. Fat payments to Toyota from Opium sales have floated that. Several articles regarding this have been in the NY times. Fact or fiction? Your the intelligence officer but one things for sure, Those new Toyota's aren't swimming or flying to Afganistan by themselves.
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"Every one seems to be forgetting about Pearl Harbor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "
Remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
I've bought 6 Chevy 1 tons, the Isuzu diesel, Allison tranny models, in the last 3 years.
One burned to the ground at 26k miles. The others are constantly at the dealer. All but last months purchase, have had the steering column replaced twice.
My wife's Chevy Venture van, an '03 model, has spent over 40 days at the dealer to date.
I put 286k. on a Tundra in less than 3 years. Not a single dealer repair required.
I'm on my 8th or 9th Taco, without a single warranty issue, just tires, oil, filters, plugs and brakes. All get at least 200k before trade-in.
I have 4 family members that make a very good living from working for Toyota. Trust me, they're all U.S. citizens.
Like most true Ky. hillbillies, I have a lot of family that went to Michigan to work for the big three. None had the standard of living up there that my relatives working for Toyota enjoy.
P.S. If you can't buy a Toyota for at least $4k off the sticker, you ain't trying hard enough.
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Stetson - so if Jeffry Fahmer drove a buick - we could call them the car choice of mass killers?
Bonnie and Clyde drove Fords -- I gues that makes them responsible for how they were used. Or if you really want to play this out - Bushmaster built the AR that Malvo and the gang used - so that makes Bushmaster responsible for the deeds.....
As to a Toyota showing up in Afghanistan - I drove my truck in Canada once - doesn't mean Toyota sent it there. Seems to me a guy can get just about anything anywhere if he has money. Infact a guy had a New Zealand spec Landcruiser diesel at work the other day. Seen lots of old RHD coopers as well on the road.
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if Jeffry Fahmer drove a buick - could call them the car choice of mass killers?
Sure why not? After all we say Toyota is "Made in the USA". LOL But if you can get the Washington Post and The NY times to print it I'm thinking it might have a wee bit more credability. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Umm - you brought them up and so far I have found nothing stating that OBL called Toyota corporate offices and ordered toyotas for jihad.
Maybe he bought them off a lot in downtown Kabul from Crazy Dave and his mile of cars?
I re-iterate your quote on never having a Japanese truck and your credibility.
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If you spent that much time in Naval Intelligence I should hope you can figure out how to use a search engine or look for articles from the New York Times. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Feel free to give yourself the DeNozo cuff in the back of the head. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I have found nothing stating that OBL called Toyota corporate offices and ordered toyotas for jihad. YOU made the allegation - prove it.
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