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I'm very interested in getting a LAW Closer or Professional but can't locate any actually for sale. Does anyone know if they are actually available, or when they will be?

Whittaker's in KY ought to be able to hook you up.

Thanks.
I also posted on Ask the Gunwriters so probably should refer future comments to that Forum

They are available. I handled a professional earlier this week at my local Sportsmans Warehouse.

What did you think of them ?

From a previous post of mine:

I'll 2nd what Darren said. Also just fondled one last week for a 2nd time. Also a 300 Mag, the example at my Sportsmans overall was a really nicely balanced rifle. Fit & finish was 1st rate, the action was darn slick. I could own one of these in a short action and be happy to hunt with it.

Anyone know the mag box length of the short actions?

2.85"

Thanks. Was hoping they did a 3".

Why, to match their slow twists......

No man...looking for good things that will work when I rebarrel it.... Just joking. It looks like they went to a 1/9 with their .243. Would prefer a 1/8 but could live with the 9.

I'd guess 98% of hunters don't give a rip about twist or mag box length but I could be wrong. I'd like to see it a bit longer myself, but not a deal killer.

If 98% don't care and there's no downside to a faster twist, shorter throat and/or longer box, why not do it that way?

John

Great point.

Maybe you can ask Ed Brown, or Bansner?

You're the one that made the statement. That's why I was asking you.

John

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I figure Bansner, Brown, etc know way more about it than 99.9% of the people here that always bitch and moan about twist rates. Nosler did the same thing with the Patriot, and speaking specifically about the short action 7mm08, it's extremely accurate.

I'm guessing you are right, in that they likely know more than you.

[bleep], there are more than a few Nosler bullets that you can't shoot in Nosler rifles. That's marketing brilliance.

There is NO downside to adding a 'little' twist, but the stupid never seem to understand that.

Once again, you have nothing to offer but your loud mouth. Business as usual. Nosler can't even keep up with demand for their rifles or bullets now, with the possible exception of the E-Tip.

When I start having trouble killing stuff, I'll holler at you since you've proven to be so good at it.

rec'd this message yesterday from LAW:

"Thanks for the inquiry. We just signed a new rep group to the Southeast, you should begin seeing new dealers in that area listed on our website soon.
In the mean-time, you can order from any dealer and have it shipped to your local FFL dealer.
Talley Rings are available from Talley; be sure to order them to fit the Nesika Bay receiver, which matches our scope base hole spacing. Otherwise, any Weaver or Picatinny ring will fit the bases that accompany the rifle.
Sincerely,
James Diehl
Production Manager"

Thanks SKane: just bought one from Whittakers in KY, 308, someone bought one elsewhere and traded it in there, LN, 1299. Hope it's good and I don't end up wishing I'd got another cooper 54.

I'm real interested in hearing what you think of that rifle garCH. Professional or Closer ?

I think I handled that one last time I was there. Pretty nice stick...

It wasn't bought elsewhere and traded. It was my pre-production sample. You won't be disappointed. Had it been any other chambering, I would have never let it hit the shelf....

How are the actions ? Smooth ? Well machined ?

They're exceptional rifles -- at least what I've seen.

The actions aren't silky smooth, but that's the Cerakote. I'm sure they'll polish in time. The fit, finish and machining is superb. Again, just my observation from what I've seen.

Lots of features of a full custom build at a portion of the price.

Thanks. If I get one, the CeraKote will be the first thing to go.

I ordered a Professional in 280ai. Amazingly, turn around was only a few months. Received it in early July.

Pretty happy with it so far. Haven't had a chance to shoot it,due to work.

Tony

will report how I like it after I shoot it.
Thanks for the background shortactionsmoker, reassuring.
it replaces a Weatherby Lightweight Sporter (not ultralight) in 308 that was stolen a couple weeks ago, along w my Tikka 695 in 300 WM and Dakota 76 in 270. i actually specifically wanted 308 and cerakote. fortunate to have found another 695 in 300 WM unfired; not going to replace Dakota which I got just over half price new in 1997 and with which I have shot a black bear and numerous deer. time for new memories I suppose.

Got a chance to handle a LAW professional in 26 Nosler today at the LGS. As many have said, it appears to be a very well finished product. The main difference I could see, besides barrel fluting, removable muzzle break, 3 pos safety, etc, is that the stock has a slimmer wrist, and overall slimmer profile than the Nosler Patriot, which is also a very well finished rifle and great shooter. Bolts cycle very "slickly" in both as well.

That's the exact setup I'm leaning toward. I've been debating between 280ai, 7RM, and 300WM. The 280 would be the most versatile for my needs.

recd it today, LAW Closer in 308. I have a Conquest scope and Tikka rings coming so hope to shoot it next week. Certainly VERY pleased w fit and finish, trigger pull using snap cap, weight and balance, etc. Some ceracote rubbing off on bolt but I don't mind

I bought the Professional in 280AI. The rifle looks awesome but sucks in the accuracy department. After seasoning I tried 4 different factory ammo from Nosler. Best group was 1.1 inch at 96 yards and the worst was 6 inches. Sent the rifle back due to major accuracy issues. The 1.1 inch group was 3 shots, the group after letting the barrel completely cool and shooting 2 more rounds was 3.2inches. I tried several different bullets and powders in reloading. The accuracy was still junk. I called Legendary and talked with JD. He stated that there is some stock issues with the 280AI and 300 Win. Mags that first went out early in production. He had me send back the rifle. They sent back the rifle and a test target. The test target with factory Nosler ammo was shot by Legendary after the fixed the issue and to verify accuracy of 1 inch or less with factory ammo per their guarantee. The test target showed 2 groups. The first was a group of 1.885 and the second a1.1inch. Even they couldn't get the to shot 1 inch or less. I call and they stated that they fixed the stock issue and for me to shoot the rifle. I shot took out the rifle with all Nosler factory Amos and some different hand loaded that I had already tried. Best 3 shot group at 96 yards was 1.229inch and the worst was 4.375 inch. The best 3 shot group turned into a 5 shot group of 2.992 at 96 yards. I talked to legendary today about the accuracy and my true disappointed. They want me to send it back again! I sold all of my rifles to buy this one and a G7 BR2 rangefinder for hunting. I was supposed to do a backcountry hunt Aug 30 through tomorrow the 4th. Well that didn't happen due to not having my rifle. My experience so far with these rifles and Legendary arms is not good at all so far. At this time I would not recommend them. Just my experience so far.
Brian

My Closer in 308 is very accurate, maybe even .5 MOA so far in just 2 outings to the range, using hand loaded 150 grain sierra pro hunters or hornady interlocks over R15. did NOT like 165s. I am happy!

Glad to hear your 308 in the closer is doing well for you. The guys have stated several times that the issue is with the stocks. This issue is with the 280AI and the 300 Win with serials of 400 or less. That is per 3 different guys at Legendary. After the stock was fixed and sent back to me. The accuracy was very inconsistent still. Still won't shoot under 1.100" at 96 yards with any ammo for a 3 shot and a 5 shot of 5" with group shift.. This is under perfect conditions at a bench. So it is going back again. This rifle is so inconsistent that I will not hunt with it. To hunt with it would just be so unethical. I could only trust it hitting its mark at less than 25 yards.
Brian

Whoa. I wasn't expecting that as a field report. You guys keep the reports coming.

Anybody that would sell all their rifles to buy one from a new company for a backcountry hunt in the not too distant future can't be the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Higbean,



This contributes to the thread?

I see your point, but we all love new rifles and bansner has been rock solid in the past. I'd probably take this bet too. What rifle looney has not been impetuous?

Reports like this are better than a bunch of flowery fluff bs that often times is not truly deserved. So, it's worth weighing the report at least.

Can anyone hang pics?

David Petzal has a blog over at F&S. About a month ago he did a review on the Professional. His experience mirrors Brianc74. He was able to get it to shoot submoa, but it wasn't a good time getting there.

I don't need a 7 Rem mag, but I want one. I've been trying to make a decision between a high end Sako A7 series, a Cooper, and the LAW Professional. I've had a Cooper, and regret letting it go. It's the most expensive option of the three, but I know it'll shoot when I get my hands on it.

Si Cabrón.

Higbean,



This is from a mature person or a young teenager?

If calling you Cabrón is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

If you do not have something to add to the field report. Then just read and go on. If all you are going to do is make comments about the poster in this thread and nothing about the the actual thread titling. Then keep to your self and drive on.

For the people adding their experiences and knowledge about Legendary Arms Works. Keep it coming.

Brian

Brian,

I was pointing out the major rookie move on your part because I'm skeptical how much shooting a guy who'd sell all his rifles for a range finder and a brand new companies rifle right before hunting season actually does. Sorry for this inconvenient fact, but that is how it comes off.

Higbean,



Again, how does this contribute to the thread? You see your opinion is just that. Not back up by much. And worth less.

And again. Back to the actual point in this thread. The experiences and knowledge about Legendary Arms.

So to (Higbean)

Here is a little on my shooting background.
I have been reloading and shooting LR for 30 years
I have shot Fclass and 600 and 1000 yard competition for 20 years
I was a Army over watch (sniper) for 5 years
I work for a very well known rifle smith in Idaho. I build custom loads for his clients and their new custom 1000 LR rifles.

I had owned the gen one Gunwerks BR2 rangefinder. So I am well ad versed in that item. I gave that to my son and bought the Gen 2. The Gen 2 works the exact same as the Gen 1
I wanted a lighter rifle than what I have been toting around. My previous rifle setup was 12lbs. I wanted something under 8lbs.
I was just going to build a rifle using my Rem700 action.
But then in Feb. I started reading about Legendary Arms and what Mark B. Was going to be offering this year. I bought the rifle when it arrived at my Sportsmans Store Aug. 10th. This would give me 3 wks to work up a accurate load before my hunt. I don't work and shoot out at the shooting club daily. So 21 days of load development.

I did my research via internet and talking to all 3guys at Legendary. All three guys stated if I bought that exact rifle after giving them the serial number that guarantee it to shoot 1inch or less with factory ammo and that they would expect with custom reloads to shoot under 1/2 inch at 100 yards. This rifle did not even come close to 1 inch consistently at 100 yards
This rifle consistently shoots 3 inches at 100 yards off the bench with me shooting it. I had another gentleman shoot it at the public range. He shot a 4.5 inch group with the most accurate load for this rifle.
The rifle is in route to legendary at this time. They paid for the return to them again. The paid for the cheapest way Back to them. I shipped it out to them last wk. FedEx tracking shows delivery to them on the 14th.
Like I have said before. At this time, I would not suggest this rifle. My experience with this Legendary Arms Professional 280AI is not good. The rifle looks great, but shoots horribly.

Brian

Hope this one shoots better...

Brian, I sure hope you get your gun back and it shoots lights out in time for next years hunt. If not, let me know and I'll send you out one of my loaners. Ringman would probably do the same but with the caveat that you don't shoot more than two rounds what with throat erosion being what it is....

Thanks for the offer. I just want to hunt with my own equipment.
Got off the phone with Bob at Legendary Just 10 minutes ago. I guess he is the General manager. I asked for my money back or just send me a new rifle that meets their guarantee. He passed the buck off to Mark Basner and said he can't make that decision. I left a message on Marks personal cell yesterday. Still have not gotten a call from Mark in regards to left message. just my opinion. They just plan on being legendary in words not in action. If people notice. Because I have. Guys that have done a review on a Legendary Arms rifle. These reviews do not show a couple of consecutive groups that are 1inch or less at 100 yards. I am finding this odd.
Just me maybe.
Brian

Roy-
Nice looking setup!!!

You're obviously very well qualified, and thanks for your service.

Dang.....I'm interested in these LAW's, so I appreciate your candid observations. Please keep us posted how it turns out if you don't mind.

Well this takes that rifle of the possible list. Appreciate the candor. jorge

I've got a LAW Professional in 260 Remington ordered, and now you've got me nervous. I was about to have Hill Country Rifles build me a 260 but the Professional had everything I wanted (except for the muzzle brake) at half the cost and all the reviews were favorable so I ordered the LAW. The rifle is supposed to be in by now, but haven't heard anything. Will report on how it shoots.

I think Jorge is right.
To the other poster, I would use Pete Peiper of Precision Barrel Work in Hempstead, Texas. I've known Pete for over 20years.
Check his website: http://www.precisionbarrelwork.com/index.htm
Pete probably has the most complete 1 man shop, with multiple new lathes, mills, and CNC equip. He always keeps the latest new machines to do the best job. He has to farm out nothing.


You may go to his gallery with the photos. I believe the first fancy BR rifle used to be mine and if you scroll down, you will see a photo of a 5 shot 200 yard group I shot in Houston in years past. A .153 group. Pete builds an incredibly accurate rifle.

I bet LAW will get stuff figured out and start turning out good guns. Seems to be some growing pains with all these start up companies.

i am in China until the 19th, when i get home i'll shoot my 308 Closer more extensively and post some target photos

Sorry to hear about your trouble. Hope this doesn't turn into Forbes II.

It would be smart of them to make this right PDQ. Stuff gets around pretty quick these days.


Good luck.

I guess the Green Mountain barrels ain't that good.
If I were having to pay for a rifle, I'd specify my brand of barrel.

Did Pete ever mention to you why he won't work on Weatherby Vanguard actions?

Not Butch, but my guy told me the barrels are fitted very tightly in Howa actions. He didn't say he wouldn't work on them, just that it was a pain.

Wonder if Pete would work on bare actions?

So big surprise. I was told by Bob the general manager yesterday that Mark would call me yesterday, (Bob Guaranteed it). NO PHONE CALL. I called Marks personal cell today. He answered. I asked for a new rifle that will shoot 1 inch or less consistently per the guarantee that Legendary Arms Works has, or just give me my money back. Since they couldn't even get the rifle to shoot 1" or less per the targets that they sent back with the rifle. Mark said no. That when the rifle gets back to them on 9-14-2015 it will get his personal attention. He said after he fixes it again. If it shoots 1inch 3 shot out of a few 3shot groups then it will meet their guarantee. And he will ship it back.

So I guess that the guarantee of Legendary Arms rifles to shoot 1 inch or less with factory ammo. Is really that this 280AI Professional will shoot close to one inch every once in awhile. I truly do not trust these guys.

Brian

The question I would have is about how it made it out of their shop like that. Do they
test-fire for accuracy, or just have some kind of ISO-ish procedure in place that should yield the accuracy they promise?

I forgot.
So talked with 2 other guys today. John bought a 300 Win and Stan bought a 280AI. Stan has already sent back his rifle and got it back. He is having the same accuracy issues. His rifle has yet to shoot a 1 inch group as well. He is getting ready to ship it back again. John was at the shooting range that I was at today. His best groups are 3.5" at 100 yards. I told him the issues that people are having with the Professional chambered in 280 AI and 300 Win. I told John my story. I told him that they know that the first 400 rifles per Jd the shop manager have stock issues that prevent the rifles from having good accuracy. John said he will be sending the rifle back next wk. he said he can't trust a rifle that shoots that bad. He bought the rifle to hunt with on the 10th of Oct.. Deer opener. John said he has other rifles. He will just use one of them. He said it really suck. I told him I know. So this means that 3 out of 4 rifle sold from Sportsmans Warehouse have been sent back due to really bad accuracy. The other one is a 26 Nosler. Per a few of the guys at Sportsmans. The guy was going out to a public range with the rifle today.
Brian

NOTE TO SELF......

When Bansner got into financial troubles a few years ago he lost a lot of his good smiths and stock builders. The owners of Trop Elite brought in $ and bought a share of Bansner's business, thus forming L.A.W.

What stock problems are there?

That's a chickenshit 1" guarantee.

From what JD said. The stock issue is ( The action screw holes are machined to small and the front aluminum block is not put in the stocks correctly.



I think there are more issues then just those. They fixed those problems when I sent the rifle in the first time. The Rifle still shoots like crap.

I had the same accuracy problems with a $3,000 Brown a few years ago. After several attempts and failures I called the credit card company. The lady told me, "The sooner he gets the rifle back the sooner you get your money back." It went back that day.

The the guy, I think his name is Mark, had the gall to keep my action for a $750 ransom.

I would call the credit card company. But I paid cash at Sportsmanship Warehouse in Nampa Idaho. They told me all warranty work is to be with the Manufacturer. I don't hold them responsible for a [bleep] rifle. They only sold it. They did not build it.

Brian

I am really sorry to hear about the problems you are having.

This rifle was on my short list, but I'd never risk it now.

Thats a shame. Nice looking rifle. I thought they might have something there. Them not willing to send you a new rifle or get back to you quickly tells me theres a good chance they are overwhelmed with warranty issues.

Mark yesterday. Did state. That my rifle is just one of over 100 rifle in the last month that he has had to take to the range after being fixed.
I said. Then what is this telling you sir. The rifles are not going out the door being proof checked.
Mark muddered (what the $uck)

I truly believe that Mark Basner does not have a good team surrounding him anymore. I believe he does not have his heart in it anymore. I think that the bottom line is. He does not care to put out a great product anymore. He only wants money. He does not care about the individual anymore.

Brian

Is this a fact or rumor Butch ?

I shot a 3.593" group today with my T3 7mm-08.

At 400 yards.

I truly do not understand why people spend thousands on a maybe when you can just buy a freakin' Tikka.


P

Because accuracy, while certainly important, isn't the only quality that many people desire in a rifle.

The first LAW I saw was the rep's pre-production sample. It was pillar bedded in lieu of the bedding blocks. The bedding was flawless and was truly a work of art.

The second LAW I saw was the pre-production sample they sent me in 308. It had the bedding blocks in lieu of pillar bedding. They sent me the rifle with the original extractor. Feeding wasn't terrible, but needed a firm bolt cycle to be "perfect". I spoke with Mark on the phone about this and he told me to return it as they'd changed extractors and were also cerakoting some of the parts a different color. I did and it came back perfect.

I shot that rifle enough to know it shot really well. The barrel was smooth and didn't foul. After playing with that rifle a bit, I put it back on the used shelf at the shop. garCH on here bought that rifle and has commented on the accuracy.

I like the action and especiall the three position safety. If there are kinks to be worked out, I'm sure they'll get them addressed....and yes, they should have been worked out before shipping.

Thanks for the info. I hope you're right about them getting things right. No doubt there's a lot of pressure to start getting product out the door and payment coming in; a totally different situation than running a custom shop.

Well on Friday. Mark said he would let me know when it got in on Monday (today). He said the rifle would get his personal attention as soon as it arrived there at the shop today.

Well big surprise. The rifle was there in the am, and I have heard nothing. Not even we got it.

These guys really suck. They really have zero follow through on what the say or promise.

Brian

I bought a 26 Nosler about a month ago. The fit and finish on the rifle look great…I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, and after reading this thread Im concerned…

Billy

I received a phone call this evening from the CEO of Legendary Arms Mr. Dunn. He said how very sorry he is for the way I felt, in the case for my Rifle and its accuracy. He said that they will get this rifle shooting for me and make sure I am very happy with the performance of my Profesional in 280 AI. I got the impression that he was indeed truly sorry for this situation. He said he will be in contact with me, to give updates as updates come up.

I really do think that he does care at this time after that phone call.

At this time. I would say thankyou Mr. Dunn
I will update you guys as I am update

Brian

I'll bet it will shoot when you get it back.

I hope he can enjoy it if it does. I've tripped rifles down the road for less even after they've been completely fixed. Once I'm soured on a rifle it's over for me.

David

Surely, brianc must know how much Mark's personal attention costs? A lot. About 6k. No one is paying that for these rifles.

The rifle should shoot, no doubt. As well as a cooper I would hope.

But, all this crying about immediate attention is unreasonable.

If these rifles carry like a Bansner, which they should because the stock is the same, then that is one of the most endearing qualities of the rifle. We all expect MOA accuracy at this point I agree.

Mark's stock design is a real joy to carry for miles and shoot. It is an experience.

Can anyone post groups of their LAW rifles that shoot well?

If Mark said he would call and let Brian know when his rifle came in, then I would expect Mark to call.....not just hand out lip service!

And he did call. Not as early As the OP whined about. Hope Mark makes it right and that all rifles coming out live up to Marks standards.

Your comments are idiotic.

The rifle wouldn't have required any of Mark's attention if it had been sent out right the first time. Or the second time. Anybody that claimed his rifle was an MOA rifle because one 3-shot group out of three fired was inside of an inch would be laughed off this board. I think he has shown remarkable patience.


David

No he didn't. Somebody else did. Its not whining to let others know that you're not receiving the quality of merchandise you paid for and subsequently getting the run around. What is your affiliation w/ LAW rifles?

David

Anybody can put out a lemon. If it is returned then sent back and there is still a problem then the company is no longer in consideration. I'm willing to give someone a second chance.....after that, if they say it's good and it's not then there is not much use in sending it to them again.

Hopefully Brian will get it back with all issues fixed and shooting dime sized groups. I hope he updates us either way.

No affiliation. I feel that not receiveing a call the first thing on a business day is not an issue. Had it not happened by the end of that day an issue it would be.let's see what happens? I too am interested in the outcome as I am hoping to add one of their rifles to my safe.

Read what he posted and look at the time stamps again (if you haven't set up your time zone in your profile, the time stamp will be off). Mark said he would call him when the rifle was received, he verified that it was delivered in the morning through his delivery svc. At 5:40pm Central time he posted that he had not gotten a call from Mark. Later in the evening the CEO (not Mark) called him and he posted that (and was more positive about it than I could have been).

He isn't whining. He paid a lot of money for a rifle with an accuracy gurantee. The rifle didin't shoot as delivered, was sent back "repaired" and it still didn't shoot. This is it's 2nd trip back, Mark's third shot to make it right and he's giving him attitude about what the MOA gurantee actually means. I'm incredulous that anyone has the balls to defend that kind of response from LAW.

David

I hate to pile on here, but there are 500 dollar rifles (T/C) (Savage?, Weatherby) that will do MOA, and they advertise as such. So I don't think the OP is being unreasonable either. Especially since this is strike two.

I really wanted one of these rifles. This year. I think I'll wait.

I have to agree with you on this. With the $$$ spent there should have been one trip made if there was a problem. When they started asking for serial numbers it tells me they were fully aware of a problem.

I recently purchased the Professional in 300 win mag. I topped it with Warne rings and a Leupold VX3: 4.5-14x40 (Parallax is an issue - big mistake on my part). I've got 37 rounds down the tube so far. The first 10 rounds were break in rounds (shoot-clean-shoot), followed by standard load development with 3-shot strings and random cleanings.

Honestly, the first few shots were exactly what I was looking for, right around 1-inch. Those first 10 shots were break in shots consisting of a fairly decent load of H4831SC and 180 grain Hornady BTSP Interlocks (only had 10 at the time). That being said, it's really hard to definitely say what it was doing between cleanings and a cool barrel - not a 4 shot group.

My goal has been to shoot Nosler A.B's and/or Nosler Partitions. So far, it's pretty obvious the rifle doesn't like either of them. But like any other narrow minded rifle looney, I'm going to keep trying because I just bought a box of 200 grain A.B's.

I found another box of Hornady 180 gr BTSP's that I'm going to start over with. Maybe I got lucky and found a node and a bullet the rifle likes...

I'm just sharing my experience so far and will update the group as I continue load development. This rifle reminds me a lot of my "former" Kimber Montana 300 WSM. The Professional is a dream to handle, but its pretty hard to shoot accurately. The muzzle break does help. But.. It's still a relatively light weight rifle. I purchased some snap-caps to work on my technique and trigger pull. Maybe that's part of the problem folks are having.

I know that Petzal's review of the rifle clearly discussed his challenge and frustration with finding a load the rifle liked - And I think he was using factory ammo.

Bottom line is that experience is telling me this rifle is going to take some effort to figure out. I was hoping for out of the box idiot proof, but it's obviously going to take some finesse. I'm trying to not get discouraged by reading some of the comments on this thread as well. Sure there's a lot of rifles on the market far cheaper than the L.A.W. The L.A.W has some bad-ass components, far exceeding all of the similar priced competition! I love shooting paper targets, but I also love a rifle that looks and feels as indestructible as the Professional! And, when my brother accidently throws a bone saw at the stock when we are gutting my elk (like he did last year to my 300 H&H Ruger No. 1), I won't lose as much sleep!

Just for the heck of it, try some IMR-4350 if you have any with the 180's (try 180 Nosler BT's if you have em). Start with 70 grs up to 72 grs. I have always found IMR-4350 to be very accurate in 300 WM's. Right now I'm using 76 grs of H481sc in my 300 WM with Nosler 180 Combined Technology bullets and it is very accurate with that powder as well. Get's 3100 fps as well.

Gator145
Try H4831 and a Fed215m with the Nosler 200 Accubond
Try the suggested load out of the Nosler manual
I just finished load developement for a customer of Ed Sweet's in Boise Idaho. His load is H4831(70.0), Fed215m, 200 Accubond 5thou off the lands, doing 2780fps out of a 24" barrel 1-10 twist. This load is shooting
1/2" five shot at 110 yards.

I did hear from JD at Legenday Arms today. He did not have any new news about the 280AI I sent back last wk and that they received in the am of Monday 2 days ago. I will update when I am updated.

Brian

Brian, I hope you get you rifle shooting, but I'd also like to know what the problem was/is.

I've found good barrels don't take much, if any work. I've found that just about all 'bad' barrels can usually be made to shoot, but it typically takes 2 pounds of powder and 1000 primers to find that load.

Any time something is stated as 'proprietary' I look someplace else.