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Greetings
I know SAMMI calls for a 1" thick wooden box for storage of powder quantities between 20 and 50 lbs, and I know that many folks recommend a non latching type refrigerator for that purpose.
I want to lock the storage, so it seems like the fridge is out. I can build a box, but what about a flammable storage cabinet? They are metal, insulated, locking and vented to prevent the bomb effect. I see them at industrial auctions and they usually don't bring big money.
Is this a bad idea? Gasoline, ditto fluid, solvents etc. all seen scarier to me than smokeless powder (no black). But I confess I am not sure about the standards.
Any advice? Thanks
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You want the storage cabinet to be flammable?
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The vent in a flammable storage cabinet is not to prevent damaging over pressures i.e. making it a bomb, the vent is there for vapors to be vented.
The reason for using a wooden box to store propellants is to prevent shrapnel if the storage cabinet were to get cooked off in a fire.
Stick with the wooden box and lock it if you need to.
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You want the storage cabinet to be flammable? NO! It needs to be inflammable or nonflammable.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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You want the storage cabinet to be flammable? NO! It needs to be inflammable or nonflammable. Bet he wishes he had used the term "combustible" instead.
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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I should have known.
George Carlin: Flammable, inflammable & nonflammable... Why are there three? Don't you think that two ought to serve the purpose? I mean either the thing flams or it doesn't!
All I want to do is prevent flam....
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Greetings
I know SAMMI calls for a 1" thick wooden box for storage of powder quantities between 20 and 50 lbs, and I know that many folks recommend a non latching type refrigerator for that purpose.
I want to lock the storage, so it seems like the fridge is out. I can build a box, but what about a flammable storage cabinet? They are metal, insulated, locking and vented to prevent the bomb effect. I see them at industrial auctions and they usually don't bring big money.
Is this a bad idea? Gasoline, ditto fluid, solvents etc. all seen scarier to me than smokeless powder (no black). But I confess I am not sure about the standards.
Any advice? Thanks
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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A vented metal cabinet with a fire suppression system is what I use. http://statx.com/
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Iron bender Thanks, but A hasp solves the locking problem, but seems like it would create a sealed container out out of the non latching refrigerator.
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The vent in a flammable storage cabinet is not to prevent damaging over pressures i.e. making it a bomb, the vent is there for vapors to be vented.
The reason for using a wooden box to store propellants is to prevent---- shrapnel---- if the storage cabinet were to get cooked off in a fire.
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You want the storage cabinet to be flammable? NO! It needs to be inflammable or nonflammable. Well ... Greetings
I know SAMMI calls for a 1" thick wooden box for storage of powder quantities between 20 and 50 lbs,
and I know that many folks recommend a non latching type refrigerator for that purpose.
You can't have it both ways. A wooden box IS flammable. Refrigerator ?? - 'Vented' ?
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Build the box yourself. Design so the top is not a structural part. Fasten it on with a few small nails Any over pressure event will pop it off, instead of building pressure. Hopefully no one tries to get in through the top. Expanded metal could also be used to vent but that leads to sparks, possible shrapnel and dust getting in.
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... possible shrapnel and dust getting in. Poor ole Shrapnel, y'all will give him a complex. <G>
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You want the storage cabinet to be flammable? NO! It needs to be inflammable or nonflammable. Well ... Inflammable means the same as flammable; non-flammable is the oppposite. There's a play being made there in IB's choice of wording... Greetings
I know SAMMI calls for a 1" thick wooden box for storage of powder quantities between 20 and 50 lbs,
and I know that many folks recommend a non latching type refrigerator for that purpose.
You can't have it both ways. A wooden box IS flammable. Refrigerator ?? - 'Vented' ? Wood is not considered flammable (or inflammable ). It is considered a 'combustible' by some definitions (though the USPS doesn't even rate it as such).
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Klik -
I'm posting this before going to Websters.
All my life I've understood 'flammable' to mean burnable, to use another word.
NOW -- I just checked Websters -
"Flammable" - "possible to burn", "burnable"
WOOD ? I think wood burns ? No ?
I do understand your distinction between
inflammable vs nonflammable. they are opposites.
? Maybe ? USPS equates flammable to explosive ?
As WE know there are many things flammable that are NOT explosive.
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I have used this old Igloo cooler to store my smokeless powder for more than 30 years. It might not be up to SAMMI code but it works for me.
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Cardboard and paper are not flammable by the definition of the USPS, otherwise they could not be mailed. The same is true of wood by the definition. (I would assume they use something less generic than Websters, the NFPA or similar, for definitions.)
Temperatures of ignition or flashpoints seem to be common themes in parsing their meanings. Most any wood container constructed of materials as prescribed (1" or less) would certainly breech before it became a serious hazard. (Modern refrigerators are pretty light when it comes to containing pressure as well.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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10/4 Klik It would seem logical to me that we/they could use words of 'common' definition for better communication and understanding. USPS - IRS - Bureaucracy = / synonyms Jerry
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I like your 'piling' system. <G> I would need 2 or 3 to keep from digging thru.
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I like the Igloo cooler also. Won't hold pressure and evens out any temperature swings.
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