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So they could neck it down to a 270.
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I'ts cuz' the 7x57 was already taken!-Muddy There's a lot of truth to that.  The Army would have been better off adopting the 7x57 Mauser and licensing the production of the 98 Mauser at Springfield Armory. But it didn't happen
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Except they were already set up to make bunches of .30 caliber barrels and bullets.
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Huntz got it 100% right.
The second reason was to provide Mule Deer with a source of brass from which to form 7x57 cases.
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Why did they develop the .30-06? So the Campfire would have something to yammer on endlessly about 110 years later, that's why! 
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i really like my 30-06s. awesome round.
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Jim, pm Hi-Vel I bet he has loads...
Seriously, if you don't find some stuff let me know, I think I have some old reloading books that mention it.
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I'ts cuz' the 7x57 was already taken!-Muddy There's a lot of truth to that. The Army would have been better off adopting the 7x57 Mauser and licensing the production of the 98 Mauser at Springfield Armory. But it didn't happen I've always wondered why the Army Ord Corps just didn't adopt the 7.65x53, either in 7.65mm or 7.62mm bore, in lieu of the 30-40, 30-03, or 30-06.
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Funny how by 1911 We had 7 and 8x57, 3006, 45 Colt, and 45 acp along with their signature guns. Not a rabid fan of any but the Colt, however 104 years ago we already had about everything one could need.
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Except they were already set up to make bunches of .30 caliber barrels and bullets. I think this is the logical reason, and the fact, that the 7mm Mauser provided a design model to essentially magnify to .30 cal.
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They shortened the 03 to make it an uneven mm measurement.
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Don't you guys read?
The 30-03 was visited by an angel, and told it had found favor with God.
He said to the 30-03 that it would be visited by a Holy Spirit.
9 months later, PERFECTION.
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Don't you guys read?
The 30-03 was visited by an angel, and told it had found favor with God.
He said to the 30-03 that it would be visited by a Holy Spirit.
9 months later, PERFECTION.
Yep Perfection didn't come until 1925 when it was necked down to .277.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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I'ts cuz' the 7x57 was already taken!-Muddy There's a lot of truth to that. The Army would have been better off adopting the 7x57 Mauser and licensing the production of the 98 Mauser at Springfield Armory. But it didn't happen Woo-eee - can you imagine the ripple through the space-time continuum if they had downsized the origin? Snooty types would be talking all about "that boring ol' fiddy seben" and saying how W.D.M. was overgunned. Instead of cognescenti shooting deer with fast twist .223's they'd be popping them with heavy for caliber 18 grain bullets from 1 in 6 twist .14 Calhouns. The horror...the horror......
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Guys -
I think there is more to the prejudice against the 7X57 and 8X57 that led to developing the 30 cal. and especially since so much was already invested in it.
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Col Whelan wrote in "Mr Rifleman" that they considered the 7mm as a US service cartridge, but that they decided against it "largely because of our Navy experience" with the 6mm Lee Straight Pull Rifle, "one of the shortcomings being the extreme difficulty of cleaning and keeping the small bore in good condition with the knowledge of barrel cleaning we then had."
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Both the Army and Navy tried a few different calibres during the late 1880s-90s, from .32 down to .22 (.20 was also considered). Rubin's work (and the Swiss 7.5 cartridge, a box of which was acquired for US Ordnance in Paris in 1890) figured in the choice of .30 for the Krag.
The .30-03 was effectively the product of an update of the .30/40, intended to match the velocity of the 7mm Mauser. Initial prototypes included rimmed versions, and then rimless, eventually (and not coincidentally) of a head size and design to suit the Mauser stripper clip.
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The
.276 Pedersen was a better cartridge but the military insisted on .308 caliber.
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Don't you guys read?
The 30-03 was visited by an angel, and told it had found favor with God.
He said to the 30-03 that it would be visited by a Holy Spirit.
9 months later, PERFECTION.
Yep Perfection didn't come until 1925 when it was necked down circumcised to .277. Haven't you read....
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Because, one time, man needed to achieve perfection. Yup. God spoke to them and said "Let there be light" And there was light! 
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Being native burghers of this desert city,
Should in their own confines with forked heads
Have their round haunches gored."
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