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THere are more women out there than you think, that can handle all that... wife goes with me for a couple weeks as a start, no shower, nothing, roughing it on the ground, often without tent, off trail and so on...

If the 30 days thing is an issue.

And I have NO idea, and wont take the time to research, but are the Israeli's using women in combat? Would they if they are not?

But I know to many here, Israel doesn't count.

Would your numbers not reflect what we've been saying, the course will sort it out.

Once again, let the results speak. I wouldn't want the guys that failed to be with me..... same same.

Jeff,

Do you concede that introducing a bleeder to 11 men in the middle of nowhere changes the dynamics of the entire situation?

Or do you not concede that?




Travis

Rost, those schools are not free. That's your and my tax dollars they are spending to get minimal results out of their PC agenda. Of DW and the likes don't care how many of our tax dollars they waste in pursuit of their PC agenda so long as it helps him toward his next promotion.

So you have one group with a 1% pass rate, and another with a 50% pass rate. So by your reasoning we should send more of the one percent group so we can spend more tax dollars and have fewer new Rangers, and fewer that can actually be in a Ranger Battalion, at the end of they year.

Sure, as guys we like babe's with guns, but I"m not in favor of wasting tax dollars on high failure rate, and limited opportunities to use the skills imparted.

Travis

Yes, because most folks cannot even come close to controlling themselves I agree.

Wouldn't have phased me in the least, there to do a job, not screw a gal....

I don't much care if its her that gets shot or him, or if I shoot a her or him or it.

There are times and places for everything.

I agree on dynamics quite a bit. But to say they are not capable of anything but a sammich maker and kid squirter is beyond stupid.

Not all women are what most male chauvanists desire.... I would not marry what one of those pigs desires...

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Rost, those schools are not free. That's your and my tax dollars they are spending to get minimal results out of their PC agenda. Of DW and the likes don't care how many of our tax dollars they waste in pursuit of their PC agenda so long as it helps him toward his next promotion.

So you have one group with a 1% pass rate, and another with a 50% pass rate. So by your reasoning we should send more of the one percent group so we can spend more tax dollars and have fewer new Rangers, and fewer that can actually be in a Ranger Battalion, at the end of they year.

Sure, as guys we like babe's with guns, but I"m not in favor of wasting tax dollars on high failure rate, and limited opportunities to use the skills imparted. [/quote]

Nope, I don't think we should waste money, but there should be allowed a weed out system, if you pass the prelims and they should not be easy, then ANYONE should have a chance.

The schools don't cost more or less, they are paid for already. I pay for them all the time with my taxes. I only think fair should be blind.

Would you get away with not allowing blacks for instance to apply? Only because they are black? Why apply same same to women?

The 50 percent pass rate gives you one student for every 2 apply.

The 1 percent fixes itself, it gives you one for every 100 that apply.

Flip the numbers.

You are showing your age my friend. I know it's a long time ago, but you need to remember what it was like when you were 18 and single.

Rost495
You're getting hung up on fair. The only thing that matters is effective. As Antelope stated it's not cost effective, and an infantry platoon made up primarily of women is not combat effective.
There is a world of difference between an infantry movement to contact and a deer hunt. Think about it like this throw about 1/2 a mule deer on your ruck move 12 miles or so through fairly rugged terrain drop about 1/2 that weight and then go run (short sprints 50-100 meters)around for 2-5 hours taking occasional breaks. 4-6 hours of broken sleep (have to pull security) then wake up and do it again the next day and the next day and the next. Think that will break a body down? Sorry but it's a fact a woman isn't built for that kind of punishment. They might be able to handle that over the short run, but what about 2-3 years down the line?

Jeff, unfortunately the pregnancy rates of our "sailors" at sea show people what seem not to be as trustworthy as thee. As Davib says, he has to work with what hes got, and with todays society, he aint getting people like there used to be.

I think these gals deserve the honor which they have earned. However, I would not want to go into battle with them, because women are just wired different. Men are logical and women are illogical. By that I mean, almost every single woman I have ever met, can't prioritize between the important and the unimportant. They multitask very well, but it may be a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. I can see them now packing for the battlefield: weapon, ammunition, vest, birthday cards, anniversary cards, lipstick, flashlight, combat boots, knife, etc. To a woman, all that crap is necessary and they cannot distinguish between the two. Just my opinion.

"Gender norming" = Swinging from the "ladies tees"

I remember that. I"m not that old... I stand by my statement.

Cool. I can't do any much of that. My wife can, she is a triathlete..... has been for years....about to get into some kind of 120 mile runs where they run, rest, run etc.. until they've done 4-5 marathons in a weekend... phug that.

I'm not ashamed to say she is tougher than I am mentally. THe only thing that gets her is pure muscle use, she is 4/2 and about 110 and just doesnt' have the muscle mass...

But I do get all of you, but still say let them prove it just like every guy has to do. NO one is going to know if they can perform in combat until that day comes..... it should be a blind test.

How long will it be until they put Summers Eve inside MRE's?

Its been said, give them their own regiment. Let those who wish fight against men, or give them a submarine for deep diving.

Not long ago the Army was having a problem with rampant sexual assaults. I knew a female who held Captain rank and was dating a subordinate. Her friend was a Major who was married and getting a little too close to the subordinates, like loaning a dryer, going to lunch with this one subordinate who received the dryer of course this could all be subjective?

Anyhow the Army was always good for some good "stories", that usually were true!!

In Iraq, women soldiers were prostituting themselves to their male counter parts for a little more money...True Story!

Women are a great idea in the military.

Ummm... ok.




Travis

Rost495 your wife sounds like a tough gal and you mentioned muscle mass and her weight of 110. Buddy of mine jumped into Panama (with a Ranger Batt) said his ruck was about 150 lbs, personally I've never jumped a ruck that heavy 118lb was the heaviest I ever jumped with, I was supposed to jump with 125ish once but the jump was canceled enroute. Once the rucks start getting up to that range there is no substitute for size and strength. IMO 170lbs (assuming good physical condition)or so was about where you could start seeing a difference between guys who were good heavy ruckers (100+ lb ruck) and the ones who weren't. Guys under that weight generally couldn't handle it over several days.