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Looking to pick up some small (2-10 hp) motors for the cabin.
Have been running older 6 hp evinrudes and johnsons with a couple smaller johnsons for portaging
Looking at some Honda, Suzuki, Tohatsu and Nissan motors. These would all be used.
What's the consensus on motors these days?
Now I see more and more 4-stroke motors so I am beginning to consider them, but I don't have any experience with them. I hear some of them are fairly light and might be an option. Don't know if I really want to mix it up with 2 and 4-stroke motors in camp though.
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Many of the smaller ones are all made by one company and labeled for each other.
I've tried a couple of the 4 stroke, single cylinders in 2hp to 4hp and got rid of em immediately because of the excessive noise and vibration. The little Honda air cooled is quieter but has has a damned centrifugal clutch so when I want to really troll slow, it's out of gear. WTH?
I've found none as good as my Evinrude, 1965 Ducktwin 3.5hp.
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Spend a few bucks to have the old 6 horseys tuned up and keep using them. The newer 4 strokes are heavier and damn expensive to boot.
I have an older outboard mechanic who claims that the old slant cowl Johnson/Evinrude kickers are the most bomb proof outboards even made. I've seen him get some of them running that looked like they were left on the ocean floor. Heck one 9.9 the last time I was by his place had been run way hot and he had to deck the head .035" to get the warpage flattened out. New gasket and a carb adjustment, along with a new impeller, and it was singing like a sewing machine.
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Tohatsu makes many of the small 2-strokes, whose light weight go along with portaging. One of the finest among these is the 3.5 hp without gearshift, as these weigh only 27 lbs. I've had two, a Nissan, previously, and now a Tohatsu.
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The older Johnson and Evinrudes is really the only way to go for trolling and dependability. The old 6horses and 9.9's are among the best ever made. They can be fixed by almost anyone and are basically bomb proof. powdr
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Just like to say that my experience with older Mercs and Evinrudes was not so positive...particularly for trolling slow
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First person I've ever heard say that about Evinrude's but not Mercury's. powdr
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OMC = Johnson & Evinrude ......I've had a bunch of the 50s, 60s & 70s models that were all very reliable and trolled slowly, reliably and quietly. Friends with Mercs bought em because the were faster.
The 3.5 hp from the 60s had a weedless drive system that worked very well.
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I have had merc Honda and Yamaha...great power out of the Yamaha but hard on gas...Honda runs great but plastic throttle lock kept breaking... Back to the old merc 15 best one of the 3
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Merc 2 stroke I like better then my merc 4 stroke...
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I have a 2.5 horse Suzuki 4 stroke. It is a 2006 but only had it a year. Last weekend it blew a gear or something in the lower unit. I'm a bit disapointed in this motor. I dont know who the other owner was but I bought it from a dealer last year. I have not looked at it yet but imagine it is going to cost a bunch.
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I have a 2.5 horse Suzuki 4 stroke. It is a 2006 but only had it a year. Last weekend it blew a gear or something in the lower unit. I'm a bit disapointed in this motor. I dont know who the other owner was but I bought it from a dealer last year. I have not looked at it yet but imagine it is going to cost a bunch.
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I have a 13-year-old Honda; great motor. Had to do the first real work on it this summer (due to almost submerging it in the salt several years ago.) But I was talking to the dealer that I bought it from this fall. They carry Yamaha, Evinrude, and, Honda, (the big three). He said it's a toss-up between Yamaha and Evinrude for performance and technology in the current stuff, but the service is solidly in Evinrude's court. (Never overlook the service aspect.) I love my Honda with 1200-1500 hours on it, but they are really dropping the ball on service according to the dealer - who might drop the brand for that reason (and their motors are not keeping up with performance technology for the most part.)
Yamaha would be a good bet in hands off 4 stroke; Evinrude if you're savvy to keeping up with technology at all in two stroke.
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I have a 1980 Evinrude 7.5. All freshwater use and never had any issue. It will troll all day long down to 1 mph on my 14 foot cartopper.
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I have a Honda 9.9 four stroke and I love it.I can run around 20 miles on a gallon of gas.It has the power of a 20hp two stroke,motor has some a$$.The draw back is it weighs about a hundred pounds.I also have a much lighter Mercury 6hp four stroke,weighs about 55lbs.Burns more fuel and has about half the a$$ of the Honda.I would take a serious look at the Hondas.
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I have a Honda 9.9 four stroke...It has the power of a 20hp two stroke... Come on!
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All of the Kenai water system and soon The Little Sue require 4 stroke or compliant fuel injection. Lots of areas are going to 4 stroke.
I have a 2 stroke 8 HP Yamaha at 58# love it but not legal on the Kenai, Also have a 9.8 HP 4 Stroke Nissan 78# (Tohatsu under a Nissan brand) most small 4 stroke outboards are made by Tohatsu. The 2 cylinder 4 strokes are quiet and almost no vibration, but heavier than a 2 stroke.
Nothing worse than owning a nice 2 stroke that you can,t use do to new regulations.
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If your gonna buy new I would say Suzuki or Yamaha 4 stroke, if your just gonna buy used motor I would say Johnson or evinrude 15 hp cause its the same as a 10 hp with a bigger carb and from 1974-1992 they are almost unchanged and have tons of parts available. Mercury and mariner in the 90s and early 2000s are nice 2 strokes and have the shift in the throttle, very nice. Stay away from older mercs.
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The 9.9 - 15 HP 2 stroke OMC (Evinrude Johnsons) are a great LW motor. Easy to keep running to. The 8 HP 2 stroke are lighter and have great power. It kind of comes down to weight and reliability. 4 stokes are great but heavy, and they don't like cold weather harder to start. The new fuel injection models may have cured that, but prefer simpler for cabin operation, fuel injectors will not tolerate water in fuel. And costly to repair.
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I have a Johnson 9.9 from 1968 that seems to have a life of its own. They guy I bought it from said he hadn't started it in 8 years, and the thing started on the 4th pull. I've never had to pull it that many times to get it started since.
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I ment 9.9 not 10 hp are the same as a 15. Mine is a 1975 15 and it is still kicking along perfectly. Just so you will be more informed 74-76 have points and condensers. If I were to be looking for one of those once motors I would look for a 86 to 92 as they have a tuned exhaust and better reeds, the thermostat is also WAY easier to change on those models. Highly sought after motors they are. A dumbazz can work on them, I'm proof of that. Right now I am running a mariner 20 hp 2 stroke 94 model, same as a 25 with smaller carb. Like it better for longer runs but the little 15 is lighter and better in the shallow rivers of tn.
Four strokes are heavy but sip fuel and are quiet. I don't know what your looking for but hope this helps some. Lots of good post already though. Nothing is the best of both worlds as of right now it's either old school or new fangled motors you can't work on but probably won't need to. Also suzuki has a timing chain not a belt (= better) and their fuel injected below 40 hp. Yamaha is carborated below 40 hp. Food for thought.
Good luck.
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My (1994 IIRC) 15 hp Johnson 2-stroke I found last year. Still had the break-in fuel mix in the tank. Came with deluxe cart, flushing bag and fitting, owners manual and original warranty card! Had always been stored indoors. These are virtually identical to the 9.9 hp model.
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Eating fried chicken and watermelon since 1972.
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Can find them cheap up here with reg. changes on where you can run them.
Often cheaper to buy small boat and trailer with the motor you want and sell the rest.
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Wish they were a cheap and regular find around here. A man would fight you for a chance to buy one around here.
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Not cheap, but if your patient you can find one for $500.
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What's the prevailing thought on an early 2000's Johnson 4-stroke 8 hp motor?
How about a Nissan 4-stroke 5 hp engine?
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Don't know how big a boat you are pushing but if it is 14ft or smaller (like a canoe or something similar), short shaft, and on smaller waters you might want to consider an old Evinrude or Johnson 3hp. They made them for ~20-25 years. Made in Belgium. They are liquid cooled, 2 cylinder motors with a self-contained tank and weigh about 30lbs. They are VERY reliable and easy to find parts for. I have 4 of them including my grandfather's from 1954. It still runs like a dream and trolls soooo slow! You can fish all day on 1 gallon of gas or less.
If you are looking at bigger waters or bigger vessels then the old 3hp is not for you!!! There is nothing simpler however!
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