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Originally Posted by dan_oz
The reason for the reduced neck length was due to the shorter bearing surface of the new pointed bullet.

Frankford Arsenal experimented from May 1906 with a version of the then new spitzgeschoss (pointed bullet) which the Germans had introduced in the previous year. The FA version was a 150 grain flat based design with a long ogive and short bearing surface of 0.255", on an overall length of 1.15". The bearing surface was much shorter than the round-nosed 220gn of the .30/03, and the case neck was shortened to suit it.

It was then found that the long jump to the rifling with the new design in the existing rifles resulted in poor accuracy, so in the latter half of 1906 the chamber specification was changed, resulting in the need to set back barrels on existing rifles, and on October 1906 - after a very short development time, the Model of 1906 was officially adopted.

It didn't quite end there though. Among other things, the bullet design was soon revised to increase bearing length to 0.33" (July 1907) and then, after problems with holding even that bullet in the neck securely, and trying various crimp methods, the bullet was modified to a cannelured form (Feb 1909). With some minor variations that was more or less it until after WW1.

In 1909 too DWM approached the Ordnance Office about royalties for the copying of their S-ball design, and when this was refused it led to litigation, complicated by WWI, which eventually and somewhat circuitously resolved in DWM's favour.


This is the correct answer.

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And all along I thought it was so them fella's in the olden days could come up with the .333 OKH 'cause that K guy liked bigger bullets?

Or maybe it was so that Ackley guy could improve it?:

http://www.nosler.com/30-06-springfield-ackley-improved

I'm really thinking it's because "thirty ought three" does not sound anywhere near as cool as "thirty ought six" or even just plain old "ought six" and they realized their mistake. cool

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V...d -- shocked

Actually... OH 3 sounds just as good as... Aught 6. wink

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You might be on to something there with the "OH 3" name.

They maybe wanted to change it to "ought six" to keep from getting confused with another "OH 3" from a certain group of islands to the east!

(I've got a couple of those foreign '03s and I think they're OK, too)

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Yep, think so too.



I have my second Rem --- Mod 6 in 30-06

I call it my "606" ! AKA- 6 OH 6.

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I call it my "606" ! AKA- 6 OH 6.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
As the story goes, the Spanish American War taught the US Army that the 30-40 Krag was an inferior rifle to the German Mauser. So they copied the Mauser but with the same .308 diameter 220 grain bullet used in the Krag. They gave it another 200 fps velocity and needed a rimless case for clip loading, resulting in the 30-03 and the 1903 Springfield rifle.

A short time later, they decided that a lighter spitzer bullet was better and settled on a 150 grain bullet (I believe) at 2700 fps. Instead of loading this in 30-03 cases, they shortened the case neck. This required rechambering all the existing Springfields. They called them all back and shortened the barrels one thread, resulting in the 30-06 Springfields having a 23.79" barrel instead of the original 24" barrel.

Why did they go to all this trouble? Why not just load 150 grain bullets in 30-03 cases?

It was actually so some know-it-all could sit around a pub (no forums back then) and proclaim that it was the answer to a question that was never asked.

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They developed the '06 so that several years in the future, there would be something with which to compare new cartridges smile


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So they could take something perfect and turn into something gayish, as in the 2gay70. LOL.

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