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Am new to AR platform. Having fun with my LMT CQBPS, but disappointed with trigger. Heavy and gritty take up and heavy 2nd stage. Used to. Sako, pre64 70's, S&W, etc. complained to LMT & mgt at store purchased. LMT said they do offer a non mil spec trigger; place of purchase recommended a Timiney and assures me I can install myself. Do AR owners typically install better triggers? I am thinking targets and varmints, not war. Is the Timiney the way to go & worth the $200?
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Geissele is what you want.
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Yes, most of us install better triggers.
Probably the 2 most commonly used are Rock River and Geissele.
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for varmints RRA varmint trigger! they had them on sale for $70 try it! I have it in one of my hunting guns...for a self defense gun Geissle.
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Geissele is my go-to trigger system for AR platforms that may be used in a non recreational capacity.
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I have the Rock River 2 stage match on my heavy barreled varment AR
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I have 5 Timney triggers and love everyone but I like a single stage trigger.
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If you bet your life on it, buy a Geisselle. If it's just for fun, save your money and look at other options.
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I would bet my life on a Timney.
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I'd bet mine on a mil spec trigger.
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A Geissele G2S is a very nice 2 stage trigger for around $160. I have two and they will be on any future ARs I get.
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buy a wolf spring kit..............
the combo 2 spring kit for around 11
or just the trigger spring for 5
and stone down the front engagement surface of the trigger housing and the engagement surface of the hammer
you really don't even need to spend $11 on the wolf spring kit
just stoning the engagement surfaces alone greatly improves the trigger
you cant get them down to the 4-5 pd range by stoning
and they are a lot smoother
then add a wolf kit and you can get them down around 3.5-4poundish range
still have the 2 stage feel but a heck of a lot less perceived take up and then a noticeably smooterh pull for it to go bang
you wont feel the grit or drag typical like in an unmodified trigger
no reason to spend upwards 200 bucks at all when the parts that are in the weapon just need a little work and tweeking
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as has been mentioned many times on this forum, the trigger stoning removes the surface hardening.
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I prefer the elftmann tactical trigger over the timney. They are in the same price point, definitely worth a look.
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Stoning the trigger works great...for a while. Before long, it will wear, and doubling can occur. I just removed one like this from a rifle. I figured "Hey, its a hunting gun, how many rounds will it really see?" Well, not that many,around 1000 or so, and it started doubling.
For $70 shipped, I put a Rock River in it, and its a much better trigger all around. Its not a Geiselle, but "Hey, its a hunting gun, how many rounds will it really see?"
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Stoning the trigger works great...for a while. Before long, it will wear, And to what do you attribute the (premature?) wear to? MM
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I would bet my life on a Timney. I like the Timney AR triggers, but no way would I go this far. I had one in a suppressed SBR, good trigger pull, but it became a single shot. Wouldn't reset with the can on. I did some research and apparently I'm not the only one that's experienced this. Switched my Geissele in and all was right with the world again.
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as I understand it only the surface of the trigger is hardened.
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Maybe someone can ask Bill Speingfield about stoning triggers and what happens down the road.
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I like my Timney trigger. Want all my rifle triggers to feel the same.
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Stoning the trigger works great...for a while. Before long, it will wear, And to what do you attribute the (premature?) wear to? MM My (un)educated guess would be the removal of surface hardening. I have witnessed this same phenomenon in other guns with much the same treatment.
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Then you would have had to stone a lot off if was surface hardened in the 1st place, which likely it was not unless it was a very cheap one.
As in a few thousandths.
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The problem is most try to change the angle to get a lighter pull. Stock, you can see the hammer pull back as you pull the trigger. Take enough off to stop that and you have an unsafe time bomb. Don't change the angle and you've done nothing that dry firing wouldn't have accomplished.
This is why it's a better idea to change triggers. I don't really care what anyone else uses and I can use a good stock trigger but people need to know what they are talking about before posting this nonsense of tuning a stock trigger.
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Pretty much decided on Timney. Seems to be well regarded and appears to be among easiest to install. I am a hobby shooter, not a "smith". Thinking 3# trigger; primary use will be paper & varmints. Am comfortable with Sako, pre64 70's, S&W, etc. 3# Timney in LMT?? YES, NO?? Thanks, Erik in MI
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For your application, you'll really like the Timney. It will fill very similar to your other rifles.
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This is a little delayed, but wanted to say thanks for the link. I ordered one of these (the varmint version) after reading this thread, and installed it this weekend. I have to say I'm impressed, and it's better than I expected for the price. I do my own trigger jobs on my ARs, and usually set them to about the same weight as this RRA Varmint trigger, so I was pleased at the weight and crisp break in this one. The break feels about the same as my other triggers; only complaint is the longer reset of the 2-stage setup, but I'm sure it's more reliable for long term use too. Will probably buy more of these down the road too. Thanks!
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The problem is most try to change the angle to get a lighter pull. Stock, you can see the hammer pull back as you pull the trigger. Take enough off to stop that and you have an unsafe time bomb. Don't change the angle and you've done nothing that dry firing wouldn't have accomplished.
This is why it's a better idea to change triggers. I don't really care what anyone else uses and I can use a good stock trigger but people need to know what they are talking about before posting this nonsense of tuning a stock trigger. geuss I don't know a fugging thing and you are the guru of knowledge...................... only spent 24 yrs in the fugging infantry humping every gawtdamm model of 16/m4 from 83 -08 stoning properly involves not changing angles and only using emery cloth enough to expose the metal under the Parkerizing of the engagement surface of the trigger housing then using a stone and then lightly polishing that exposed metal surface and then lightly stoning the engagement surface of the hammer and lightly polishing that you make it sound like Im using a wood rasp file or a dremel drill with a 80 grit wheel materials used are 600 grit emery cloth wrapped around a small flat file to do away with the Parkerizing coating and a small fine Arkansas sharping stone with spit on it for lubricant to do the stoning and then flitz for the polishing geuss I should have been more techy in my post............. love getting sharpshooted by nuggs who think they are experts who never have walked the walk...................... fugg posting on the ar forum some of ya are tackelberry wanna be fuggers and aint never lived behind a trigger for a couple of decades kmfwa..........................
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Being in the infantry gives you exactly zero credibility when it comes to gunsmithing. Or even, in my experience, of even being a proficient shooter. The best in the business of the military will quickly admit that soldiers, even ninja soldiers, are seldom gun guys.
I'm grateful for every soldier's service. But I'm also completely worn out on the "I was in the military so I am omniscient on all things that go bang". Cuz it just ain't so. And when that is so, it's only because of what those folks did OUTSIDE of their infantry training that made them so.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Being in the infantry gives you exactly zero credibility when it comes to gunsmithing. Or even, in my experience, of even being a proficient shooter. The best in the business of the military will quickly admit that soldiers, even ninja soldiers, are seldom gun guys.
I'm grateful for every soldier's service. But I'm also completely worn out on the "I was in the military so I am omniscient on all things that go bang". Cuz it just ain't so. And when that is so, it's only because of what those folks did OUTSIDE of their infantry training that made them so. That was the one thing that sucked about being in the military. I didn't get to shoot as much as I do as a civilian.
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Since when are the engagement surfaces on milspec triggers parkerized?
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only spent 24 yrs in the fugging infantry humping every gawtdamm model of 16/m4 from 83 -08
materials used are 600 grit emery cloth wrapped around a small flat file to do away with the Parkerizing coating and a small fine Arkansas sharping stone with spit on it for lubricant to do the stoning and then flitz for the polishing
love getting sharpshooted by nuggs who think they are experts who never have walked the walk......................
fugg posting on the ar forum
some of ya are tackelberry wanna be fuggers
and aint never lived behind a trigger for a couple of decades
kmfwa.......................... look at you all grown up and everything showing us how a real man acts. P.S. love your knowledge base regards the parkarized trigger contact surfaces!
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OK back on topic I just looked and you can get a RRA 2 stage trigger for $62 right now. quit worrying about springs, threading a takeup screw through the hand grip and all the other assorted BS. for that kind of money you simply can't beat it. I prefer the varmint version which can be had for less than 100, the RRA varmint trigger is comparable to ANYTHING out there. I have geisslle's most expensive trigger, high speed match rifle. if doing it over again I think I would just save money and go RRA varmint.
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Cummins has it covered
While renegade MAY know how to tweak, he would damn sure be rare just due to military service...
I"m with Blue on this, it gets old, its like saying I"m a cop, I konw guns... REALLY? SOme do, like Blue, but its rare IMHO.
Even a good friend here that is LEO, that has taken armorer courses, knows less about the workings of an AR than I do... and I"m not at all bragging in knowledge or use, but do konw them a bit...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I got a varmint in my 6.8 hunting gun, fine trigger for a hunting gun. I paid $60 on sale for it.
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P.S. love your knowledge base regards the parkarized trigger contact surfaces!
Must have been an infantry thing...... 
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Cummins has it covered
While renegade MAY know how to tweak, he would damn sure be rare just due to military service...
I"m with Blue on this, it gets old, its like saying I"m a cop, I konw guns... REALLY? SOme do, like Blue, but its rare IMHO.
Even a good friend here that is LEO, that has taken armorer courses, knows less about the workings of an AR than I do... and I"m not at all bragging in knowledge or use, but do konw them a bit... As a cop, I agree 100% There are gun guys, some of them happen to be Cops and Soldiers, other happen to be Plumbers...
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A lot of folks have called me on even saying that trained military snipers are not the greatest shots.
Little do they know that generally shooting is a tiny part of what they do and frankly when snipers came to our matches from the field, to participate, and did not have their scoped bolt guns, I was not overly impressed.
I ain't saying they were shabby either, just that they were not as good as I thought they would be like us civi gun nuts were. LOL.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Can someone point me to the RRA 2-stage Varmint for $62?
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Might or might not still be on sale... I did a google a while back and found em quick...
Give it a shot.
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Can someone point me to the RRA 2-stage Varmint for $62?
Thanks RRA for some reason only offers the national match trigger at that price, they are offering the varmint trigger for 98 on their website although I think one of the vendors on ar 15.com probably could beat that. I would call RRA and see if you can talk them into doing the varmint trigger for the same price. There is a difference in pull weight enough to where IMO a trigger snob like me would pay extra for the varmint trigger. The varmint trigger is an option overlooked by a ton of people. unless you spend 200 more I don't think there is anything really any better. my geisselle high speed match has adjustable sear engagement which is tricky to get right. because too much and you get a small amount of grit, too little and its not enough engagement. it also adjusts the pull weight which when you adjust that it messes with the sear engagement all over again. The RRA varmint while not as light doesn't have all those adjustments to worry about.
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Thanks cc. I'll try to get RR to lower it to $62. If not I'll get it from ar15sales.
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That's a darn good price on a great trigger.
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Being in the infantry gives you exactly zero credibility when it comes to gunsmithing. Or even, in my experience, of even being a proficient shooter. The best in the business of the military will quickly admit that soldiers, even ninja soldiers, are seldom gun guys.
I'm grateful for every soldier's service. But I'm also completely worn out on the "I was in the military so I am omniscient on all things that go bang". Cuz it just ain't so. And when that is so, it's only because of what those folks did OUTSIDE of their infantry training that made them so. really................................. you don't know chit about what I know or have done nor do I you...............................
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Geissele's are good. Timney's are good and the new Hypertouch is being recommended by some people heavy into shooting.
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buy a wolf spring kit..............
the combo 2 spring kit for around 11
or just the trigger spring for 5
and stone down the front engagement surface of the trigger housing and the engagement surface of the hammer
you really don't even need to spend $11 on the wolf spring kit
just stoning the engagement surfaces alone greatly improves the trigger
you cant get them down to the 4-5 pd range by stoning
and they are a lot smoother
then add a wolf kit and you can get them down around 3.5-4poundish range
still have the 2 stage feel but a heck of a lot less perceived take up and then a noticeably smooterh pull for it to go bang
you wont feel the grit or drag typical like in an unmodified trigger
no reason to spend upwards 200 bucks at all when the parts that are in the weapon just need a little work and tweeking This is the advice you gave, stone down to 4-5 lb. range and I guarantee you, you just created a time bomb. Very simple reason the military doesn't allow everyone who humps an M4 to touch the trigger's mating surfaces.
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your bombastic blathering and name calling does not make you right about stoning a trigger. Your advice is just wrong.
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I'm a Geissele fan, I have a JP single stage in one lower and while it's fine if you're shooting off the bench, I think it's too light for use in the field. When I'm headed out with an AR I usually put whatever upper I'm wanting to use on the lower that has the SSA. I need to buy another but seems that there's always something else in the works.
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I used a Timney... but my next will be a Velocity Trigger
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Temmi - appreciate knowing why you were less than satisfied with the Timney & what you prefer about Velocity? Thanks.
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I have a Geissele, a POF and a Hiperfire and if I had to pick one it would be the Hiperfire, by a smidge over the Geissele. ( https://www.hiperfire.com). Don't get me wrong they are all good not cheap and the Hiperfire hasn't proven itself with round count yet but it's sweet. I think almost any of the triggers mentioned in the previous threads would be an improvement and may satisfy you. It comes down to a range of about $80.00 to $220.00. Is the $220.00 trigger $140.00 better, in reality probably not how ever I spent it and am happier.
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I am a Timney trigger man have them in mt bolt GUNS and my AR.S
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Interesting reads; Gear Review: Elftmann Tactical Drop-In AR-15 ... lockerdome.com/6388193763278913/7431620701467668 Gear Review: Hiperfire 24E and 243G Triggers -... www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/09/foghorn/gear-review...
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a shame there isn't an article there about triggers... just some crimson trace laser article.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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"One good Shot Is All I Need"
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I'm not impressed with the Hyperfire triggers. Nice light pull, but lots of creep.
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Campfire Ranger
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The problem is most try to change the angle to get a lighter pull. Stock, you can see the hammer pull back as you pull the trigger. Take enough off to stop that and you have an unsafe time bomb. Don't change the angle and you've done nothing that dry firing wouldn't have accomplished.
This is why it's a better idea to change triggers. I don't really care what anyone else uses and I can use a good stock trigger but people need to know what they are talking about before posting this nonsense of tuning a stock trigger. geuss I don't know a fugging thing and you are the guru of knowledge...................... only spent 24 yrs in the fugging infantry humping every gawtdamm model of 16/m4 from 83 -08 stoning properly involves not changing angles and only using emery cloth enough to expose the metal under the Parkerizing of the engagement surface of the trigger housing then using a stone and then lightly polishing that exposed metal surface and then lightly stoning the engagement surface of the hammer and lightly polishing that you make it sound like Im using a wood rasp file or a dremel drill with a 80 grit wheel materials used are 600 grit emery cloth wrapped around a small flat file to do away with the Parkerizing coating and a small fine Arkansas sharping stone with spit on it for lubricant to do the stoning and then flitz for the polishing geuss I should have been more techy in my post............. love getting sharpshooted by nuggs who think they are experts who never have walked the walk...................... fugg posting on the ar forum some of ya are tackelberry wanna be fuggers and aint never lived behind a trigger for a couple of decades kmfwa.......................... In your years in the infantry how many trigger jobs on issued weapons did you do? This wannabe would like to know.
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Campfire Tracker
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I'm a Geissele fan, I have a JP single stage in one lower and while it's fine if you're shooting off the bench, I think it's too light for use in the field. When I'm headed out with an AR I usually put whatever upper I'm wanting to use on the lower that has the SSA. I need to buy another but seems that there's always something else in the works.
I am a fan of the JP single stage, I dont think it is too light at all for field use as all my bolt rifles have even lighter triggers
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I'll say this, in my 29 years the biggest gun retards I met were the Gunners Mates.
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Campfire Kahuna
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Campfire Kahuna
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I'm not impressed with the Hyperfire triggers. Nice light pull, but lots of creep. Creep sucks IMHO.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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