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The Sierra 40 and 45 gr Hornet bullets are good for reduced loads too. i've worked with with Hercules/Alliant 2400 to get around 2000-2200 fps, approximating a 22 magnum Yep I always hit the bins at gun shows looking for these to shoot from my Hornet at reduced loads for tree rats. Usually can Jew them down to about 10 - 12 bucks a box. That makes for pretty cheap shooting and great accuracy.
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Cost is the same as 17HMR, interesting..... Actually cost is less if you use budget bullets...and at those speeds the bullet doesn't matter much.... With Hornady 55 grainers I figure it runs me about $6.25 for fifty....With Z-Max it will be about $7 Looks like 492 rounds out of a 9oz jug. 0.14 per ZMax 0.04 primer 0.03 powder 0.02 brass I get $11.28/50. But either way, I'd rather shoot my Tikka than RAR. Just what I needed, something else to monkey with!!!
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What's the scoop with cast vs jacketed and Trail Boss? Is that just for the cowboy stuff?
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Ive not been shooting cast bullets, so can't help you, but check out the other thread on reduced loads on this forum, some guys chimed in with some good info on cast...
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What's the scoop with cast vs jacketed and Trail Boss? Is that just for the cowboy stuff? Don't know, but I intend to find out.
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I was thinking it was supposed to only be used with lead, but clearly that's not the case.
75 Amax and 22Mag outta the same rig. I like the idea.....
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Not in 223 but in 243 got interested and had some extra powder and some bullets pulled from a long time back. Used the 47th Lyman book and tried some loads, found that W296 and Clays did a good job in pushing them down the barrel. Now beginning to think that Trail Boss would be fun to play with a bit.
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All this talk on the reduced load thread has me thinking....then using the reduced loads in the field the last couple days has planted the germ of an idea in my head, that I think will fester into a full blown infection.
This....from my OP... Heres the idea: since I have more than enough " Varmint Rifles" and a spare action and stock laying around,I figure to barrel it with a plain jane .223 factory barrel, cut to 22inches, put it in the " Mountain Rifle" synthetic version stock, duracoat it and scope it with a Leupy 3x9 and make it a 'dedicated' reduced load ( i.e. substitute for a rimfire) rifle..... Looney enough?  Whaddaya think?
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INGWE
I use the 35 gr hornet bullet with a few grains of blue dot in my 223 rem. Works great!
Trail boss would be a better option but was not available then
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I just bought 1000 of these. BULLETS
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Tom,
Your "dedicated reduced load" .223 idea is interesting, but why not just buy some .22 rimfire ammo? Or don'ty you have a .22? Or are you looking for projects to keep you busy?
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The money made from selling all those rifle parts would pay for a whole bunch of 22 LR ammo, even at scalper prices.....
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Whats not to like? A) Roll your own at a comparative cost B) Low report C) Get to shoot your 'bigger' guns more... D) Have plenty of salvageable small game meat left...over using a standard load. E) And you get to mess with more gun stuff! Before any naysayers chime in wondering what the hell you'd do this for...its mainly "E" I like messing with gun stuff.  MD and PG...to help answer your questions I refer back to my OP. If logic, rational thinking, or even economics was introduced into the looney line of thinking, none of us would be here reading/writing this. I like messing with gun stuff! It doesn't have to make sense? Does it?  And JB...Ive never been quite a fan of .22 LRs...yeah, Ive used them plenty, but again, I can rationalize all things gun..... 
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Tom,
Your "dedicated reduced load" .223 idea is interesting, but why not just buy some .22 rimfire ammo? Or don'ty you have a .22? Or are you looking for projects to keep you busy? See above post on 22LR...meanwhile Im rationalizing phasing out the 17HMR.... That could change within the hour. Stand by.
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Better yet, buy a suppressor.
I went through the whole downloading the 223 thing for a couple seasons. Then I found that a suppressed full power 223 makes similar or less noise than the "tweener" round like the Hornet or 17 HMR, and I don't give up any trajectory or splat factor.
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Thought about that, but salvageable meat is another consideration. Even on head shots with a full power 222 I occasionally get collateral damage. And besides, if I bought a suppressor, I wouldnt really be messing enough with my gun stuff!  As I intimated earlier, don't interject logic here! I'm on a roll!
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Plus, now that we are legal to hunt big game with a suppressor, the purchase can be considered double useful!
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Plus, now that we are legal to hunt big game with a suppressor, the purchase can be considered double useful! WOW! I didn't know that! Thats good news and wayyyyyyyy overdue !
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