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Originally Posted by William_E_Tibbe
You will never understand my mentality and logic.


On that, we can agree!



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Hallelujah, progress.

We agree on something,

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Not for the same reasons though.

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Originally Posted by shrapnel


I have a proven way to get your desired group. Shoot at least 20 rounds, there will be at least one group of 3 that will meet your goal, call the rest fliers.

Amazing what you can learn on the Campfire...


Shrapnel, I hope you're having a fine Sunday, perhaps out hunting grouse or "reducing to edible biomass" some other tasty critter in a "sportsmanlike" way of course.

If I follow your reasoning and take it to another level, let's say using a "higher math" approach, and I find as many of the targets I have saved over the years (not 70 years yet, but still a good sample), and scan them in the computer, then overlay the scans, I can probably not only find "at least one group of 3" that will fit my desire to shoot a small group.. I may just find that over the years I have shot a one hole group centered on the targets (especially if I overlay them "correctly" wink ).

Oh, there may be a "flyer" or six out near the edges that the overlay may not have accounted for. I believe these to be a necessary evil.

Most of my targets have a "1st shot out of a clean barrel shot" on them , then a "pre-sight in" shot , then usually a sighter, maybe a wind checker, possibly a "gnat flew up my nose" shot, and sometimes one of those I'm "having a bad day" flyers.

Those shots that are all clustered near each other, those are the ones I shot "for the record:.

But taking your idea to the next level works even better.
I found out today, on this wonderful campfire, that I've been shooting one hole groups for a long time, and that hole is only getting more holier the more targets I overlay.

For those of you without a scanner and computer you can do a beta test of my theory. Build yourself a "private" target backer out of some stiff substance, one only you will use. Bring it to the range or wherever you do your shooting. Use it exclusively for your range testing, ladders, sighting in, plinking, etc. Just staple your new target right over the old ones (simulating my scanner approach). You will be amazed at the one hole group you've been shooting all your life cool

D--m I love this place.
Geno

PS, OP, I truly hope you get it worked out, and it sounds like you will eventually. I have only one "custom" gun, a revolver that did not come with a gaurantee, but it shoots great. I hope you end up satisfied in the end.
After all, the journey toward those smaller groups, a larger set of antlers, a better pack frame, a tastier recipe, nicer wood, etc is what keeps us loonies hanging around here.

PPS, I've been busy with other stuff while typing this up so I hope no one has "read my mind" and beat me too it. I'm not wearing the tin foil hat today so it's possible the "watchers" have one upped me.


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ehnm,
you got that right,
again
and again
and again
and again........

You think it's because of the multi level thinking stuff maybe?

Geno

PS, hope you have a great Sunday.


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Quick way to have a half MOA shooter. Take two heavy weight targets and lay one on the other Now shoot for score. Take the to on off (the one with the powder burns) and toss it away.

For bragging rights, use your non-dominate hand to write a witness signature with a date. Trim to wallet size and laminate.

This you can use in the old folks home to impress absolutely no one but will make you feel good as you enjoy your tapioca and imaginary memories.


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ehnm,
you got that right,
again
and again
and again
and again........

You think it's because of the multi level thinking stuff maybe?

Geno

PS, hope you have a great Sunday.
Think it's because he has no clue and is trying to be the smartest azzhole on the campfire. wink




Thanks,I'm contemplating of going rabbit hunting this evening.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by William_E_Tibbe
You will never understand my mentality and logic.


On that, we can agree!


You can have your own opinion, but you cannot have our own facts nor your own logic.

Willy since you fail to operate within the same objective reality as the rest of us, we can never understand you.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Why it is that the 95% plus of good guys here and the owners, moderators and SYOPS tolerate these spoilers.

One of the best hunter, shooter, re-loader sites ever is being sullied and sabotaged by these dysfunctional, perverted halfwits.


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yep.

dysfunctional, perverted halfwits?

Chief, I thought we was squirrels?

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We have been promoted Valsdad. smile


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No we haven't. Now quit dysfunctioning, and get back to the cabal.



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RATS! Was looking forward to the pay raise. frown


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Originally Posted by smokepole
No we haven't. Now quit dysfunctioning, and get back to the cabal.


This "functioning" we've been "dys"ing? Does it have anything to do with "high math", derivatives, area under the curve, and cool s--t like that?

Or is it more like P-Funk "funktioning"?

I'm unclear about the squirrels too. I've had some funky squirrels dissin' on me from the tops of trees where I couldn't quite shoot them "sportsmanlike" with a common .22 and I'd left the very sporting (legal and ethical too I might add)

Pirelli (oops, that's my fancy Italian tires)
Peroni (oops again, a fancy Italian beer I used to drink)
Piotti shotgun (there, I had to go look at the label on mine so I could get the fancy Italian name right for ya'll whistle)

at home so I couldn't shoot those bushytails when they took wing.

I'm happy to remain a squirrel and not be promoted to perverted halfwit. I've heard that young women in Cowboy hats like warm furry critters. And, I happen to think my "wit" is about full. (of what I can't say in mixed company!)

Geno

PS, did our friend of the three initials ever get the OP on track with where, when, how, why he should or should not send back his rifle?

PS, OP, again, I wish you the best of luck getting your rifle problem addressed. It seems you know and have dealt with enough custom rifles to have a good idea. A certain other gentleman we like to "pick on" , perhaps not.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
RATS! Was looking forward to the pay raise. frown


RAISE? there was a RAISE involved.

Call me halfwit all you want, I need money!

Geno

PS, it buys cool "stuff", just ask the "sportsman".


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Yup,0x0= our pay raise.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
Yup,0x0= our pay raise.


That's some pretty "high math" there Chief.

I might actually have to get out a calcumulator to figger it out. 'lessin I desides to take of'n won ov my choses.

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Had to take my shoes off to figure it out.


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