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Gun is an LMT 14.5" pinned suppressor.

Well, I did the best with what I could today. Didn't have anything but my tailgate but hunting scenerio you don't have a bench rest anyways.

My my guess is the 1/7 twist doesn't like the 55gr weight in combination with the almost 5lb trigger. It is a RRiver 2 stage but not my prefered crisp 3.5 ish weight trigger.




The top 3 shots are at 100yards.

All center white are at 50 yards.

I'd double check my mounts/rings then try a different brand/weight of ammo. Is the optic a known good performer?

it really depends on the ammunition, if its some generic 55 grain FMJ, then you really cannot tell. Second a bench would help you out a lot. It should from a bench do about 3-4 inches with generic 55 grain for 10 shots. None of that crap is crazy accurate. Get a box of hornady 55 grain Vmax, some WW 69 grain match and some federal 77 grain match, a good bench, some bags a good solid chair, then you can see what the gun will do. I bet it will do close to 2 inches at 100 with 55 grain Vmax for 10 shots. Good luck!

Thanks for the ammo tip! Scope is s Bushnell Elite. Ill get a better table setup somehow.

ball fmj ain't ever going to be better than about 2moa.

Get some match 68/69 and see how it'll shoot. Federal Gold Medal 69 or black hills eihter 68/69

Will do!

Blackhills remanufactured 60 grain vmax is the bomb
.5 MOA in my tikka
.8 MOA in the colt 6920

Yeah, don't sweat it.

I have a RR Lar 15 that shoots 3/4 inch groups with 62 gr fmj factory Fiocchi ammo, 1 1/2 inch groups with 55 gr American eagle 5.56 fmj ammo.

Mabye they use better bullets since its Fiochhi, but generally speaking if you shoot 10 shot groups with most any FMJ, you will find 6 to 7 in a group and the rest fliers.

I"m assuming you are talking at least 10 or more 5 shot groups at 100 yards in your claim. Thats a pretty tough average. .75 inches at 100.

That being said the point is that almost all FMJ projectiles, not the ammo itself, but the projectiles are below par for accuracy.

Pull the 55s out of ball ammo, resize the neck, and seat a 52 bthp, and you'll get amazingly better groups typically.

I"m talking about long averages. Not just a couple of groups for both instances...

Best I've ever seen FMJ do was when a friend weight sorted 62s and reloaded the bullets...with weighed powder... worked yes, would average around MOA, not any better. Thats the best I've seen ever.

And I've shot a fair bit with the AR over many years to say the least.

Thanks for more insight!!!

Did you see that challenge thread? Would be nice to see it on paper.

Love to see some 10 shot groups at 100 yards Freddy!

My 1/7 twist likes Hornady 55gr Vmax.

The groups that I quoted were three shot groups, I have never shot 10 shot groups with my AR's, I use them for plinking and coyote hunting, I think three shots is enough to tell me how my rifle is shooting for that purpose. If I was shooting competition them it is a different story. I did however shoot a five shot group at 400 yards using my most accurate hand load that measured 3.937 inches, I have a photo but I don't have the program that is needed to post photos here, I don't post photos on these forums anyway, people can either believe me or not.

I'm sure everyone believes you but the problem lies in 3 shot groups, you just can't tell anything about them. Most of the time multiple 3 shot groups will wind up with different points of impact with the same point of aim.

But as much as I like small groups, I can kill anything I want to with a 2 MOA gun.

TWR has it covered.

your guns ain't shooting as well as you CLAIM they are. But they are shooting WELL enough to do what needs to be done.

OTHO take a bit to understand the theory in a 10 shot group and things might become brighter about happenings from time to time.

Lots of real world 10-shot AR targets here:




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Freddy, if you're hitting 3/4" groups at 100 yds with factory 62 gr fmj out of that AR and you're wanting to go kill chit, you're done. There's nothing else to do, unless you want to pour money down a hole searching for the One Ragged Hole grail.

Yep, I'd use FMJ to kill chit with....

Perhaps all the target bullet hype for hunting might transition to FMJ bullets for hunting now? Haha.

My reference was to accuracy, but flame away.

Been through chemo, divorce, serious injuries, and watched my Mom shrivel up into a ball and pass at an early age.

By all means, flame away. Believe me when I tell you, it's water off a duck's back.

BTW, Mr Goode. Nice rifle and great looking kmives.

Will say a prayer for ya! Thats a tough load.

You NEVER know who reads this stuff and believes.... to read your post, its not flaming, it simply said good enough to hunt with. That, IMHO, is not the case.

Funny, I"M mostly good with target type bullets. Most of them. I"d rather them open than not. But I digress.

I don't PICK target bullets most of the time, but have killed a LOT with them.
As a kid I killed a lot with FMJ because of my mentor... reloads... blunt nosed bullets... and all head shots.... right or wrong it worked but I found very minor damage typically so I finally quit the FMJ stuff.. for hunting. For accuracy they generally suck too. But for those that want to hear a bang and see dust fly they are often good enough at that.

Years ago starting shooting competiton, we figured yeah we can practice with that cheap stuff.... not...

I made a good living for many years, which in large part involved crafting prose to train other professionals in what I knew.

I've used Internet bulletin boards to learn and teach since before the evolution of GUI. The exchange of information was never so toxic and predictably offensive natured as I've seen this board evolve to in the short few years I've been a member.

I have no misconceptions why certain good friends have chosen to no longer participate here.

You Messrs., have a great day.

With the exception of a few, I have found 24hourcampfire to be one of the most helpful and friendliest hunting/shooting forums around. I read through the forums here for a long time before joining. The jerk's around here make it clear when they show up in a thread......hint.....hint That doesn't mean you should ignore them though, some people, despite their social disorders, can accidentally be knowledgeable helpful.

However, I have yet to read a post in this thread that sounded rude or offensive. Differing opinions and experiences maybe but nothing that sounded harsh. I guess its all in how you take in the info.

It's the downside to this medium, you take things the way you want to take them...

I've been an ass from time to time cause I'm a smart ass at heart. FTF most laugh and poke back but on these forums, "them's fighten words".

I also get tired of answering the same questions and seeing the same claims. Catch me in a hurry and it gets even worse. But those that laugh and poke back keep me hanging around.

Seems like I should add a GFY in here somewhere....

keyboards suck. They don't make a conversation like it would be face to face.

But those that get panty wadded over a comment, need to chill a bit IMHO.

I posted why I replied the way I did, and if thats not good enough, well frankly I've got other fish to fry and could care less.

I'm as guilty of typing in a hurry and not making the point clear and thankful that others chime in.

I don't go to many other sites and not often then, since this one is the best I've found... YMMV.

Chillin. (sort of) apology accepted.

Now GFY

GFY accepted.

That does stand for Good For You, right?

I think many problems with many rifles can be found to be due to the rifle scope than the barrel or the shooter. FMJ 55 grain cheap ammo as an exception.

FMJ period as a pretty much general exception unless something has significantly changed in the last years.