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The problem with ALICE training and lots of other best practices or policies is their static nature in a fluid situation. It's difficult to maintain control over your assets though, without such things, especially in the age of litigation. A = Alert L = Lockdown I = Inform C = Counter E = Evacuate It's a tool box not a recipe that must be followed in order exactly. Use what applies directly to the situation you find yourself in. Not static unless that is the most appropriate defense for the situation at that particular moment. The user chooses the tool(s) as needed. I'm very familiar with it and if I knew how to do it better, I'd say so. There are weaknesses though.
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The problem with ALICE training and lots of other best practices or policies is their static nature in a fluid situation. It's difficult to maintain control over your assets though, without such things, especially in the age of litigation. A = Alert L = Lockdown I = Inform C = Counter E = Evacuate It's a tool box not a recipe that must be followed in order exactly. Use what applies directly to the situation you find yourself in. Not static unless that is the most appropriate defense for the situation at that particular moment. The user chooses the tool(s) as needed. I'm very familiar with it and if I knew how to do it better, I'd say so. There are weaknesses though. Familiar enough to know it isn't a completely static program yet you stated it was static anyway. Fits right in with all the other BS in this screwed up thread. Carry on...
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The problem with ALICE training and lots of other best practices or policies is their static nature in a fluid situation. It's difficult to maintain control over your assets though, without such things, especially in the age of litigation. A = Alert L = Lockdown I = Inform C = Counter E = Evacuate It's a tool box not a recipe that must be followed in order exactly. Use what applies directly to the situation you find yourself in. Not static unless that is the most appropriate defense for the situation at that particular moment. The user chooses the tool(s) as needed. I'm very familiar with it and if I knew how to do it better, I'd say so. There are weaknesses though. Familiar enough to know it isn't a completely static program yet you stated it was static anyway. Fits right in with all the other BS in this screwed up thread. Carry on... It depends on what you mean by static. How is this something to get twisted about? Some of y'all will go to any length to argue and twist things.
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The problem with ALICE training and lots of other best practices or policies is their static nature in a fluid situation. It's difficult to maintain control over your assets though, without such things, especially in the age of litigation. A = Alert L = Lockdown I = Inform C = Counter E = Evacuate It's a tool box not a recipe that must be followed in order exactly. Use what applies directly to the situation you find yourself in. Not static unless that is the most appropriate defense for the situation at that particular moment. The user chooses the tool(s) as needed. I'm very familiar with it and if I knew how to do it better, I'd say so. There are weaknesses though. Familiar enough to know it isn't a completely static program yet you stated it was static anyway. Fits right in with all the other BS in this screwed up thread. Carry on... If this thread is so screwed up, why are you reading it, let alone commenting? That doesn't make sense.
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There is also an ongoing independent investigation of the incident by the law firms involved. LOL. Good one. Giggling...Ya,I normally would agree with you on what you highlighted except when it includes Gerry(Never lost a case)Spence.I'm sure he has atleast a Matlock equivalent doing the investigation, if not Horacio himself.
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There is also an ongoing independent investigation of the incident by the law firms involved. LOL. Good one. Giggling...Ya,I normally would agree with you on what you highlighted except when it includes Gerry(Never lost a case)Spence.I'm sure he has atleast a Matlock equivalent doing the investigation, if not Horacio himself. It is no more laughable than the ISP investigating their local counterparts.
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the FBI is investigating also.
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the FBI is investigating also. Another comforting thought.
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I honestly don't have any recommendations. IMO most of the government, at whatever level, is compromised at this point. Specifically in Idaho, I don't feel expert enough to offer much, but from what I've seen of the ISP, they don't seem a good choice. Obviously the lawyers for the Yantis' will be looking out for their interests too. Just like many things in the country right now, it's a hard situation with few seemingly viable solutions. A lot has been said about how at-risk the officers who perpetrated this are right now, I guess from the Yantis' themselves, their friends, and the population of Idaho at-large. Nothing has been said about the Yantis' being at risk though. Sorry, but I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I hope they are keeping some means of self-defense handy and have the ability to document things. I'm quickly losing faith in documentation of evidence.
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It is no more laughable than the ISP investigating their local counterparts. ISP has history in investigating there counter parts in Idaho which in itself, needed investigated.The FBI also has history in Idaho with FBI trained snipers taking out children and mothers holding a baby. Idahoans should feel confident with both there history of events here.
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So, has anyone actually started the process of recalling the sheriff, and removing him from office?
Has anyone petitioned the governor or state attorney general for a change in the ISP methods of investigation?
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It only gets better as this lags on..Thanks ISP...
BOISE - One of Idaho’s highest profile attorneys is now on the Jack Yantis case.
Boise's Chuck Peterson has joined the Gerry Spence law firm, which is heading up the case of the Council rancher who was shot and killed by Adams County deputies.
Peterson told KTVB they are conducting an independent investigation into the case with a close eye on the state and the federal investigations.
And he said he believes they will all come to the same conclusion.
“We feel good about the facts and we feel like the facts will be discovered by the federal, state and our investigation that will show that Jack Yantis died needlessly.” said Peterson.
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Maybe Donna had the other half a bottle. I mean, as long as we're guessing... As I've posted before: The primary value of threads such as this is the revelation of other member's character. Some can disagree with me - often vehemently - and still be welcome in my camp. But there are always a few who are revealed to be totally lacking in the intangibles which make up a person fit to be in the company of MEN.
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Maybe Donna had the other half a bottle. I mean, as long as we're guessing... As I've posted before: The primary value of threads such as this is the revelation of other member's character. Some can disagree with me - often vehemently - and still be welcome in my camp. But there are always a few who are revealed to be totally lacking in the intangibles which make up a person fit to be in the company of MEN. Couldn't agree more.....^^^^^^^^^ Despicable....
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The lesson is not to go to police with a firearm while they are at scene of an incident. The rancher made poor choice and unfortunately paid ultimate price for his bad judgement.
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The lesson is not to go to police with a firearm while they are at scene of an incident. The rancher made poor choice and unfortunately paid ultimate price for his bad judgement. You are a total idiot.
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Maybe Donna had the other half a bottle. I mean, as long as we're guessing... As I've posted before: The primary value of threads such as this is the revelation of other member's character. Some can disagree with me - often vehemently - and still be welcome in my camp. But there are always a few who are revealed to be totally lacking in the intangibles which make up a person fit to be in the company of MEN. Couldn't agree more.....^^^^^^^^^ Despicable.... I reached out to him when he moved to Oregon. Offered to help him with areas to hunt, etc. Let's just say the guy's a complete tool.
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The lesson is not to go to police with a firearm while they are at scene of an incident. The rancher made poor choice and unfortunately paid ultimate price for his bad judgement. The sheriff's office dispatch called him to go there and dispatch his bull, you dumb [bleep].
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Don't worry this will not happen again next time the police will bring enough gun. I recommend 7,62x51 SOCOM 16 made by Springfield Armory.
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