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Friend of mine has a "B" prefix 700 in 270, and it went off unexpectedly the other day while he was hunting as he pushed the safety from Safe to Fire. It has the old trigger design (which I own quite a few of and have never had any trouble out of) and he had read about the issues some have had with them.
I have a Timney trigger here that was installed by me in a varmint rifle, used briefly and removed when the purchaser of the rifle didn't want it. I thought the only way my friend would ever have confidence in the rifle again was to completely replace the trigger group, so I installed the Timney into his rifle last night.
After installing the new trigger, I bounce tested it and was able to make the rifle "fire" when the safety was taken off. Also, I was able to make it "fire" a couple of times at bolt closure. I disassembled the firing pin group and cleaned everything, nothing appears damaged or looks out of place.
What is the proper way to handle getting his rifle repaired? A reputable gunsmith or send it back to Remington? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
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What weight is the timney set for?
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sounds like the timney may just need the sear engagement adjusted a bit, it's the screw on the back of the trigger, also the pull weight may be too light
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Agree with attempt to adjust trigger. You don't have enough sear engagement.
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sounds like the timney may just need the sear engagement adjusted a bit, it's the screw on the back of the trigger, also the pull weight may be too light Yep. Bet that trigger is pretty light right now.
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Friend of mine has a "B" prefix 700 in 270, and it went off unexpectedly the other day while he was hunting as he pushed the safety from Safe to Fire. It has the old trigger design (which I own quite a few of and have never had any trouble out of) and he had read about the issues some have had with them.
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absolutely sear . I have a rather old model 110 was doing same thing
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Friend of mine has a "B" prefix 700 in 270, and it went off unexpectedly the other day while he was hunting as he pushed the safety from Safe to Fire. It has the old trigger design (which I own quite a few of and have never had any trouble out of) and he had read about the issues some have had with them.
I have a Timney trigger here that was installed by me in a varmint rifle, used briefly and removed when the purchaser of the rifle didn't want it. I thought the only way my friend would ever have confidence in the rifle again was to completely replace the trigger group, so I installed the Timney into his rifle last night.
After installing the new trigger, I bounce tested it and was able to make the rifle "fire" when the safety was taken off. Also, I was able to make it "fire" a couple of times at bolt closure. I disassembled the firing pin group and cleaned everything, nothing appears damaged or looks out of place.
What is the proper way to handle getting his rifle repaired? A reputable gunsmith or send it back to Remington? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks. Turn the sear adjustment screw 1/4 turn at a time counterclockwise until it passes the "slam bolt and bounce test".
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Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check the sear adjustment this evening.
Anyone care to speculate why the Timney did fine in the varmint rifle and exhibits the same signs as the factory trigger did in the suspect rifle? Kind of makes me wonder if it is something outside the trigger group.
Thanks again.
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The trigger interface is slightly different in each rifle. It's not uncommon to need adjusting when swapping.
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Also clean the entire trigger assembly with carb cleaner or something like it and don't lube it. Rick.
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Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check the sear adjustment this evening.
Anyone care to speculate why the Timney did fine in the varmint rifle and exhibits the same signs as the factory trigger did in the suspect rifle? Kind of makes me wonder if it is something outside the trigger group.
Thanks again. CFVA I suppose no portion of the trigger housing or trigger are bearing on any portion of the stock when screws are tightened,right?
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Thanks to everyone.
Bob - I did have to relieve a bit of wood to allow for the trigger adjustment screw on the Timney, but otherwise I haven't found any interference.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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The trigger interface is slightly different in each rifle. It's not uncommon to need adjusting when swapping. Also clean the entire trigger assembly with carb cleaner or something like it and don't lube it. Rick. This
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A Remington with a trigger issue??? Oh, SAY it ain't SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! (sorry, couldn't resist)... 
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Knew that was coming, just didn't know from who!
I adjusted the sear engagement last night, and it would still fail occasionally on bolt closure. I noticed the trigger shoe wasn't resetting itself if the muzzle was pointed upward, so I adjusted the trigger weight screw until it had a positive spring reset pressure. After doing that, all is good in the world. Just for reference, the Timney was 3 lbs out of the box, and is set at 5.5 lbs now. Still crisp and doesn't feel all that heavy, but it's safe.
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Also clean the entire trigger assembly with carb cleaner or something like it and don't lube it. The Timney web page says to lube with lighter fluid. miles
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.... I noticed the trigger shoe wasn't resetting itself if the muzzle was pointed upward.... If you really have a trigger shoe installed on your Timney, that is probably most of your problem.
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Be very careful performing the bolt-slam test to avoid breaking off the handle.
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Knew that was coming, just didn't know from who!
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.... I noticed the trigger shoe wasn't resetting itself if the muzzle was pointed upward.... If you really have a trigger shoe installed on your Timney, that is probably most of your problem. No aftermarket shoe, just referring to the lever itself.
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Quite likely the trigger weight spring was shortened by Bubba at some point and travel was lost due to the shorter, stiffer spring.
5.5 pounds is far heavier than that trigger needs to run for safe operation.
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Quite likely the trigger weight spring was shortened by Bubba at some point and travel was lost due to the shorter, stiffer spring.
5.5 pounds is far heavier than that trigger needs to run for safe operation. I wholeheartedly agree on the 2nd point, the trigger was purchased new by me and ran fine at the 3 lb factory setting in a 700 VS for years. I can assure you that no one has touched the spring length, or any other settings on the Timney until last night. My friend bought the rifle new, and no one had shortened any springs or "Bubba'd" with the original trigger group, also.
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HOw about cocking piece difference between the VS and 700 you are working on . 5.5 sounds like too much weight IMHO. I might give Timney a Call and have them look at it and see what they think.
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I held the firing pin group up side by side for a comparison with a j-lock unit that I removed from a Ti rifle and didn't notice any difference in angles or wear patterns, but didn't put a set of calipers on it. I should have tried the bolt out of the Ti in it just to see how it would respond.
I think my buddy will appreciate the slightly heavier pull on the rifle at this point, he was pretty shook up over the incident and the extra weight may instill a bit more confidence in the rifle for him. 5.5 lbs sounds like a lot, but actually feels pretty good with the Timney.
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Are you sure your trigger pull gauge is accurate?
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Are you sure your trigger pull gauge is accurate? I've never calibrated it, but the triggers I've set with it feel reasonable.
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Are you sure your trigger pull gauge is accurate? Very good point! And is the gauge being used exactly the same way each time?
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