Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire so what does it mean to you when someone says "turn our military loose"

I hear this alot and to be honest I'm not sure what it means in terms of specific examples. I never hear those examples in the context of this discussion.

I know there are rules of engagement - seems like many people think these or some other set of rules is holding our military back - this going back to I guess Vietnam

I'm interested in what conditions/restraints have been placed on our troops in fighting Al Qaeda/Taliban/Iraqi National Guard - etc., that has hindered our ability to effectively take them out.

Seems like Russia and France now have the same opportunities and I'd like to know what they'll do differently.

Well, the U.S. Military is not particularly concerned with collateral damage, but the Russians will totally disregard it in the areas controlled by ISIS.

From what I can determine, it's no secret where they're holed up.

Russia will just use air strikes to contaminate the entire area.

Each 'ground-pounder' gets a Barney Fife; one cartridge!!

I believe the current rules of engagement are that you have to be shot and killed before you return fire. That has to change.

Our military needs to come home. There will be work to be done here.

Brilliant.

for me, it would be old school take names and kick azz. The military's job is to break things, and kill people.
I'd like to see the World rid of every sheep molesting muslim,

Yeah sure, so stuff happens here. Who ya gonna call the UN?

Maybe baby blue is your color...

See, this is why the 19th Amendment NEEDS to be repealed.

yea but what exactly does that mean compared to what we've been doing since 2002?

For example, carpet-bombing the entire city of Raqqa, would be a good start.

Exactly. As you stated elsewhere, politicians and many people here don't want the blood on their hands.

So we'll continue with the 'soft' target bombing ourselves and hope that a Starbucks on every corner in Raqqa will fix everything.

Rules of engagement are for civilized people.

Raqqa should be a pool of glass ASAP. That would significantly alter ISIS morale. Then the fleeing rats should be eradicated to the last one. If there is not a significant whiff moderation in the air, hogs should be airlifted to feed on the remains.

The message needs to be unequivocal.

We've been leading with øur behind.

Not just there, but anywhere they are holed up. No troops on the ground.

No more scalpel, time for the machete.

I'd outsource the whole damn thing to Chuck Norris!!

It means to let the military be unrestricted and without worry regarding any potential "collateral" damage. Carpet bombing Raqa into a pile of rubble would be an example of "turning our military loose".

Right now we are making an honest effort not to kill any civilians who are not a part of Daesh/ISIS.

From Wikipedia.


LeMay commanded subsequent B-29 Superfortress combat operations against Japan, including massive incendiary attacks on 67 Japanese cities. This included the firebombing of Tokyo — known in official documents as the "Operation Meetinghouse" air raid on the night of March 9–10, 1945 — which proved to be the single most destructive bombing raid of the war.[14] For this first attack, LeMay ordered the defensive guns removed from 325 B-29s, loaded each plane with Model M-47 incendiary clusters, magnesium bombs, white phosphorus bombs, and napalm, and ordered the bombers to fly in streams at 5,000 to 9,000 feet (1,500 to 2,700 m) over Tokyo.[9][10][15]

The first pathfinder airplanes arrived over Tokyo just after midnight on March 10 and marked the target area with a flaming "X." In a three-hour period, the main bombing force dropped 1,665 tons of incendiary bombs, killing 100,000 civilians, destroying 250,000 buildings, and incinerating 16 square miles (41 km2) of the city. Aircrews at the tail end of the bomber stream reported that the stench of burned human flesh permeated the aircraft over the target.[16]

The US military for a long time has been hamstrung by rules that make it more likely that our soldiers will be shot or killed first.

If the bad guys have a weapon and have been shooting at them,our guys have to stop shooting/killing them if they drop their weapon.

They won't let us go after the bad guys if they are hiding among them for fear of hitting some that might not be active against us.
When we leave an area these same folks help the bad guys.

We are being to nice to the folks that want to kill everyone else.

An interesting concept is the correlation between a religious entity and a governmental entity. Following up on my cite of the fire bombing ok Tokyo, Japan attacked china, Pearl Harbor, the Philippine islands, etc.

We did not restrict our warfare only to those theaters. We fought all jap citizens and soldiers where we found them.

Why should the rest of Islam get a pass likewise. We should engage all of Islam wherever we find them. The actions of their representatives, which most of their members support (probably deep down) should subject their members to reprisals and their facilities to obliteration, starting with Mecca.

It means making the cost of actions such as the killings in Paris, MUCH greater than any benefit to a group like ISIS. Basically remove any incentive on the part of ISIS leaders or individual fighters, to try it here.