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Anyone ever see a Swarovski test like the scope in this torture test?? https://vimeo.com/114881326A VX-6 would be in pieces after something like this. They just came out with the scope
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Sounds like the same guy here in NM that works at SWH and tells everyone Vortex is better than Nightforce. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Anyone ever see a Swarovski test like the scope in this torture test?? https://vimeo.com/114881326A VX-6 would be in pieces after something like this. Several years ago when Bush was still president, a soldier was about to deploy out of Fort Hood, which is nearby. He was issued a rifle with a Leupold which did not work. He put out a request for help and I had a Nightforce 5.5-22x50 on a backup rifle that I could spare, so lent it to him for his deployment. While deployed, his vehicle hit an IED and rolled over. He was thrown so hard against his rifle, the barrel bent. After he recovered, he was issued a new rifle, and put the NF back on. It worked perfectly for the remainder of his deployment. When he returned, he brought the scope back to me, but asked if he could buy it. Of course, I said yes. That convinced me of the NF durability and they have never let down.
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Anyone ever see a Swarovski test like the scope in this torture test?? https://vimeo.com/114881326A VX-6 would be in pieces after something like this. They just came out with the scope Thanks but excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting for Swarovski to duplicate the NF test.
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Anyone ever see a Swarovski test like the scope in this torture test?? https://vimeo.com/114881326A VX-6 would be in pieces after something like this. They just came out with the scope Thanks but excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting for Swarovski to duplicate the NF test. If they hold up they hold up you saw what Mule Deer posted above. You think [bleep] NF has the market on reliable scopes ? You think Germans can't figure out what makes a NF scope tougher then a regular weight scope? Let me just say another thing, it better be tougher for 2x the price.
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You having a bad day? I said that I would not hold my breath waiting on Swarovski to duplicate the NF torture test, and I won't! There is no point in getting all worked up over that comment unless you own stock in Swarovski.
Having a bunch of gun writers shoot them off the bench for a few days is a very weak measure of durability, take a look at the video again. If your sure of the big S improved durability then get back to us with something more solid than "shooting off the bench and tracking correctly" as a durability test, even Leupolds will do that once in a while.
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No just saying that for double the price and putting their reputation on the line they better make at least an equal product.
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Why? They haven't yet. They've made scopes with turrets for years and none of them work correctly.
Do not misunderstand- the X5 is new and built and designed different than their hunting scopes. It may or may not be a solid scope- time will tell. Or not. The X5 was built solely as a hunting optic, with no interest from Swarovski to get into the military market. That means the user group best situated to test it and know what it will do (long range competitors), won't use it at all...
What's funny isthose that question why scopes built to actually work weigh so much and are generally bulkier and why can't hunting scopes work...... Here's your hunting scope actually built and tested to be reliable. Ironic what the product turned out to be, huh...?
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Why? They haven't yet. They've made scopes with turrets for years and none of them work correctly.
Do not misunderstand- the X5 is new and built and designed different than their hunting scopes. It may or may not be a solid scope- time will tell. Or not. The X5 was built solely as a hunting optic, with no interest from Swarovski to get into the military market. That means the user group best situated to test it and know what it will do (long range competitors), won't use it at all...
What's funny isthose that question why scopes built to actually work weigh so much and are generally bulkier and why can't hunting scopes work...... Here's your hunting scope actually built and tested to be reliable. Ironic what the product turned out to be, huh...? I am going by the weight of the scope which is much more then any 30mm scope they currently make . I would think that with the weight issue out of the way they would know how to beef it up inside and out. I thought they might have been going after the tactical market did not realize this was just a hunting scope.
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No just saying that for double the price and putting their reputation on the line they better make at least an equal product. If they have to double the price to get the same performance...the result is not an equal product.
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so I think we all go thru a phase, I even own some scent loc products! Its tough when you look back as see all the money you have wasted on supposed better products. Where I hunt what can a swarovski do that a $299 sWFA cannot?
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The new Swarovskis have a completely new adjustment and erector system, considerabling beefed up over any of their previous scopes. I attended a "test" shoot last May, where around 10 shooters put the new scopes through their paces over several days, shooting out to a mile with rifles chambered for various rounds, including several .300 Winchester and .338 Lapua Magnums. There were no failures and as far as everybody could tell the scopes tracked perfectly, whether when sighting-in on paper or shooting distant gongs. Usually during similar shoots at the same range (I’ve been there three times now) at least one or two scopes bite the dust somewhere along the line. Whether the Swarovskis are as tough as Nightorce of some other scopes remains to be seen, but it was an impressive start. When you say " The new Swarovskis have a completely new adjustment and erector system, considerabling beefed up over any of their previous scopes." are you only speaking of the X5 line?
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Where you hunt, what can a $299 SWFA do that a $179 Redfield cannot do?
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At their price point, I'm rather curious how many Swarovski will actually sell.
When guys can drop considerably less coin on a SWFA SS, Bushnell LRHS, or even the NightForce scopes that have proven to be rock solid, it's going to be extremely tough IMHO to move a considerable number of them to make it worth while to Swarovski one would think.
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Swarovski's reputation of excellence in their binos and spotters is well deserved. Their scopes have never showed me much and I've owned a few.
Was a self-professed Zeiss whore for years myself but have learned through experience that pretty glass is far from the holy grail In a working riflescope.
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so I think we all go thru a phase, I even own some scent loc products! Its tough when you look back as see all the money you have wasted on supposed better products. Where I hunt what can a swarovski do that a $299 sWFA cannot? I have no need for a 20 oz scope with a really busy reticle for shooting a deer at 2-300 yards and the same holds for an Elk. What I buy is my business and I usually get what I pay for as well.
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At their price point, I'm rather curious how many Swarovski will actually sell.
When guys can drop considerably less coin on a SWFA SS, Bushnell LRHS, or even the NightForce scopes that have proven to be rock solid, it's going to be extremely tough IMHO to move a considerable number of them to make it worth while to Swarovski one would think. Good Question but there are a lot of people willing to drop the coin we shall see if they are around in a few years.
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RHClark,
Yep, am only referring to the X5's.
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RHutch,
When most people ask, "What's the best scope for X$?" they usually mean the best optics. Some, like you, eventually learn the best optics don't mean much when the scope doesn't result in a hit because it broke down mechanically.
It will be interesting to see if the X5 scopes combine both. As for the price, quite a few people are willing to pay for similarly priced March, Schmidt & Bender, etc., scopes. Swarovski isn't trying to compete with SWFA or even Nightforce. As always, they're aiming at the high-end market.
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so I think we all go thru a phase, I even own some scent loc products! Its tough when you look back as see all the money you have wasted on supposed better products. Where I hunt what can a swarovski do that a $299 sWFA cannot? I have no need for a 20 oz scope with a really busy reticle for shooting a deer at 2-300 yards and the same holds for an Elk. What I buy is my business and I usually get what I pay for as well. Whatever
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