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Before we do, however, it’s also important to provide some tactical context, as it is within this context that the officers made their decision to use deadly force upon the non-compliant and knife-armed McDonald.

There is a sentiment being expressed “by some” that somehow there exists a great disparity in the lethality of a handgun and the lethality of a knife. In fact, at close quarters a knife is arguably a more lethal instrument than is a gun.

There has also been expressed the notion that because McDonald was not within arm’s reach of the police officers that he represented no imminent deadly threat. This notion is, of course, the result of ignorance.

I expect every police officer in the country has been taught a defensive doctrine called the Tueller Drill. The Tueller Drill was developed by Salt Lake City Police Officer Dennis Tueller, who among other things was a firearms instructor for his department.

Dennis trained uniformed police officers who were armed with pistols and who regularly encountered violent suspects armed with impact weapons, particularly knives.

He recognized that a knife wielder standing beside an officer could surely stab that officer before the officer could clear his pistol from his holster and engage the attacker with fired rounds.

Dennis also recognized, however, that at some greater distance an impact-weapon armed attacker would be too far to constitute an imminent threat to police officer. Absent an imminent threat, the officer would not be justified in using deadly force upon the attacker.

That begged the question, then, of what distance became the threshold at which an impact-weapon armed attacker did constitute an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm such that the officer would be justified in using deadly force. Was that distance 5 feet? 10 feet? 15 feet?

Dennis knew a pretty good time for an officer to clear his weapon from his holster and strike a target with two center-mass rounds was about 1.5 seconds. Once that time is known, the question of interest becomes how great a distance an attacker armed with an impact weapon can cross in that same 1.5 seconds. Whatever that distance, the aggressor became an imminent threat for self-defense purposes once he crossed that threshold.

After running a great many empirical tests, Dennis found that the distance that an impact-weapon armed attacker could cross from a standing start in 1.5 seconds was not just 5 feet, or 10 feet, or 15 feet. Rather, such an aggressor could consistently cross a distance of 21 feet, a full 7 yards, in the 1.5 seconds it would take the typical officer to draw his holster and engage that aggressor with aimed fire.

That suggested that an aggressor armed with an impact weapon becomes an imminent deadly threat even when he was as far away as 21 feet–a distance that astonished even many experienced law enforcement officers.


So a man with a knife is a deadly threat when they get within 21 feet and this means that the officers shooting could very well be justified.



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Did the officer in the vid already have his gun drawn? If so, that 21 foot rule doesn't apply.


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He got out of his car with gun drawn.

As the perp is walking toward the squad car as it is pulling up, you can see him drawing his knife, unfolding it with a flick of his wrist (requires practice) and is holding it in a threatening manner. As the cop on the shotgun side opens his door and gets out you can see he has his gun drawn. One can opine he was probably telling the perp to either "drop the knife," or "get on the ground," or words to that effect. When the perp ignored his command, he was stopped from fleeing the scene with a deadly weapon and becoming a deadly threat to other innocents.

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BTW, you won't hear Hannity or O'Reilly with this kind of politically incorrect analysis.


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I hope I don't get within 21 feet of a cop because I always have a knife.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I hope I don't get within 21 feet of a cop because I always have a knife.


As long as you don't brandish it, and then use it to puncture a tire on a Cop car, while being followed for half a mile by said Cops.

Curious thing to me is that Chicago Cops apparently don't carry tasers although it seems likely young Laquan there coulda just shrugged 'em off as he was that night.

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Cops' licenses to kill will be revoked if the sheeple ever figure out that the cops have no duty to protect them, and have a lot more latitude in protecting themselves, than us subjects have.

Liberals and other weaklings view the local cops as being representative of a mythical, all powerful, benign, "system" which somehow allows us to co-exist with our neighbors.

Promotion of this myth is perhaps the most successful propaganda campaign since Satan convinced a majority of folks that he doesn't exist.


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I hope I don't get within 21 feet of a cop because I always have a knife.


Well, 7 yards is pretty close, so if you have a knife in your hand are acting like the guy was in a public place with civilians around and he tells you to DROP the knife and you don't, shoot till you drop...

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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I hope I don't get within 21 feet of a cop because I always have a knife.


You had better not cross that 21 foot barrier at night, with lights flashing and guns drawn. What does it take to let a rational person to understand restraint, or you could get hurt or killed?


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Cops' licenses to kill will be revoked if the sheeple ever figure out that the cops have no duty to protect them, and have a lot more latitude in protecting themselves, than us subjects have.

Liberals and other weaklings view the local cops as being representative of a mythical, all powerful, benign, "system" which somehow allows us to co-exist with our neighbors.

Promotion of this myth is perhaps the most successful propaganda campaign since Satan convinced a majority of folks that he doesn't exist.
Excellent post.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Cops' licenses to kill will be revoked if the sheeple ever figure out that the cops have no duty to protect them, and have a lot more latitude in protecting themselves, than us subjects have.



Cops have no duty to protect? How so as to the latter, we had (have) even more latitude in the armed forces, so what's your point?


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Originally Posted by bellydeep
Did the officer in the vid already have his gun drawn? If so, that 21 foot rule doesn't apply.


Where did you learn that?


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Originally Posted by CrimsonTide
Originally Posted by bellydeep
Did the officer in the vid already have his gun drawn? If so, that 21 foot rule doesn't apply.


Where did you learn that?
As I recall it, the 21 foot rule assumes a holstered sidearm, absent even hand on gun.


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what about the 15 shots he fired into a downed individual? i might be able to see the 1st one, but after that i'm thinking he was a little too into it.


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What difference does it make how many times the cop shot him ?????????


I don't think he was hit but in arms, legs at first.

The cops will be in the fetal position.

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it would make a difference to you if you were the one taking the rounds


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Tell me about that difference again. I don't see the difference.

When a cop tells you to drop the knife/ gun , and you don't.


You are shot once ( and killed) or shot 20 times and killed.

What difference does it make?

If I am on that jury…………………..

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Originally Posted by rem141r
it would make a difference to you if you were the one taking the rounds

If the cop was justified in firing one round he was justified in firing 15.



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Originally Posted by rem141r
it would make a difference to you if you were the one taking the rounds

If the cop was justified in firing one round he was justified in firing 15.
Why distinguish a cop in your statement. If it's a true statement, then it's a true statement about justified shootings, period, no?


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Originally Posted by AcesNeights
I hope I don't get within 21 feet of a cop because I always have a knife

in my hand with the blade open and I refuse to put it down even when a cop is aiming a pistol in my face and screaming "put it down put it down put it down put it down put it down put it down put it down !!!!!"


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