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The one I had started out as a 40-82 and at some point was rechambered to 45-70. I never even had to mess with the sights. I have an older Lyman manual with three levels of 45-70 loadings, IIRC. The second level was for 1886 Winchesters and I utilized this. The recoil was never nearly as bad as with the Marlin 1895's of the day.

I shot a big cow with it one time. Poor old critter was bogged down in a pond and we'd tried everything to get her to go ahead and calve. My Uncle should have had me shoot her a couple of hours before we did, but it was his call. Critters like this are typically a whole lot harder to kill than some healthy cow. This one was DRT with the 1886 and my handload under some 400 grain bullet I cast in a Lyman mold.

I need to shoot a spike this month, but I sure do feel silly shooting a 100 lb deer with a 500 grain bullet

But there is a big sow wandering around the lease, with a couple litters. I could try to line up 3 in a row...

The biggest mistake i ever made was to sell my win. 45-70 extra light made in 1901, killed alot of deer with it, a 400lb Black bear and a cow Buff! wishing you Luck this weekend!

500 grs with Holy Black is a blast all unto itself EE, wish y'all could have chained that cow out, birthed and saved the calf anyway.

Do it Tex, no shame, heck, I've shot a couple Oklahoma armadillos with a 577 Nitro. , they don't care.

Worked my ass completely off and came up empty this time, the reward can sometimes be found in the exhaustion , it was great fun nonetheless and I'll be back for another hard round soon.

Thanks for all the well wishes Men.

Hunting in a monsoon can be tough. At least you were out in it trying.

I'm looking somewhat fondly over at an '86 in '45-90, Browning Utah marked, '88 SN that looks to have been part of the Pleasant Valley War.
All of the Tewksberry (The Sheepherders) outfit were issued em', or so the story goes. Does the HB carved into the front of the right stock comb signify that it saw scabbard carry with the "One Armed Hamp (Hamp Blevins) Gang", a division of the Tewksberry factions ? If so there's a lot of yarns it could spin. I aim to find out.
This ones a keeper, and requires some MAJOR TLC, looks like it's muzzle was blown up / off, and some bozo hacked it down into a shorter half magazine configuration. The original barrel's to be re-extended and sleeved,and re-chambered for the 2.4" case, next Summer, Lord willin'. An 18 twist liner will take it out of the "express rifle" area, and let me get into that 1050 FPS / 500 gr + realm that I like , too.

Beside it sits an almost minty modern replica, sadly not the Browning in flavor,....rather that Winchester number in .45-70 that requires a some retrograde mods, "De-Lawyer Proofing" as it were. Damn fine rifle regardless,....Miroku builds a fine arm. It's a take down #, fitted with a Lyman 66 peek hole rear sight.

I don't play in the classifieds, If any of you died in the wool types have an interest in this replica, gimme a shout,...2 of em' are just too damned heavy to pack, and I KNOW which one I'm going to carry the most.The full conversion to a true half cock set up is a snap, requiring a Browning Trigger and Hammer. Elimination of that stupid rebound hammer feature is an afternoon project requiring some screwdrivers, and a file, and will probably happen the next time my shop's not masquerading as a meat locker.

Merry Christmas, Dark Siders !

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I'm looking somewhat fondly over at an '86 in '45-90, Browning Utah marked, '88 SN that looks to have been part of the Pleasant Valley War.

The 86 (at least in its original form) was a smooth, well made gun. But I never have stumbled across one that was both affordable and desirable (at least when I had the money to buy one). Looked hard at a couple of Mirokus, but I usually migrate back to a single shot.

Still want a Model 71 Deluxe, even if they aren't BPCR. Same deal - affordable and desirable.

And yeah, I need to make it out to Cross' place, myself

A 40-65 is on my hit list Schrap, either a '74 Sharps or '86 Winchester, nice piece there.

Would that be a '76 in 45-75 EE? Very nice!

I'm looking somewhat fondly over at an '86 in '45-90, Browning Utah marked, '88 SN that looks to have been part of the Pleasant Valley War.
All of the Tewksberry (The Sheepherders) outfit were issued em', or so the story goes. Does the HB carved into the front of the right stock comb signify that it saw scabbard carry with the "One Armed Hamp (Hamp Blevins) Gang", a division of the Tewksberry factions ? If so there's a lot of yarns it could spin. I aim to find out.
This ones a keeper, and requires some MAJOR TLC, looks like it's muzzle was blown up / off, and some bozo hacked it down into a shorter half magazine configuration. The original barrel's to be re-extended and sleeved,and re-chambered for the 2.4" case, next Summer, Lord willin'. An 18 twist liner will take it out of the "express rifle" area, and let me get into that 1050 FPS / 500 gr + realm that I like , too.

Beside it sits an almost minty modern replica, sadly not the Browning in flavor,....rather that Winchester number in .45-70 that requires a some retrograde mods, "De-Lawyer Proofing" as it were. Damn fine rifle regardless,....Miroku builds a fine arm. It's a take down #, fitted with a Lyman 66 peek hole rear sight.

I don't play in the classifieds, If any of you died in the wool types have an interest in this replica, gimme a shout,...2 of em' are just too damned heavy to pack, and I KNOW which one I'm going to carry the most.The full conversion to a true half cock set up is a snap, requiring a Browning Trigger and Hammer. Elimination of that stupid rebound hammer feature is an afternoon project requiring some screwdrivers, and a file, and will probably happen the next time my shop's not masquerading as a meat locker.

Merry Christmas, Dark Siders !

GTC

I have another 40-65 marked W.F. Sheard Livingston, Montana. They are great to shoot and don't beat you up. The 40-65 will still completely penetrate a deer...

Uberti flavor. I have seen some pretty nice originals but they would be exceedingly high-dollar.

What would be the description meaning of Mr. Sheard, Shrapnel, was he a Gunsmith or Dealer of the day?

I have a 2nd year 1886 40-65 made in 1887 stamped "Browning Bros". It is also a single set trigger rifle...

AWWWww, C'mon Man, don't keep us all guessing.

That's just MEAN !

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gotta admit I like the idea of a .38-55 or .40-65 as well.

Original 1876 in 45-75...

10-4 on the originals EE, you simply would not believe what landed in my lap on a trade deal Monday, it's such an abomination it doesn't rate mere mention in this forum, but it did come with two boxes of factory ammo, I have new brass, bullets and dies on the way. lol

There was a collector up in Alberta years ago that displayed several NWMP Carbines, both the original early models, and the "New Pattern".
Replacing their clapped out Sniders with the 45-75s must have made for some fairly happy (and formidable) Mounties,....and the legend and lore surrounding those Carbine's exploits is a fundamental component of Western Canadian History,....Batoche, Duck Lake, Riel, DuMont, etc.

Here's a good read about one of em',...talk about provenance.

Link: http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/winch...nted-police-rcmp-legion-frontiersmen.htm

GTC

NWMP ?

Saddle ring Carbines

....Win. DID make a longer Musket,....dunno who used em.

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Serial #31xxx, a 1914 year model '07 Winchester in 351 S.L., sweet little gun and fun to shoot, it's in wonderful condition and un-bubba'd, zeroed it at 50 yards Thurs afternoon with the factory ammo.

There are interesting rifles. I dropped a cull buck with mine opening weekend. Hawk 180gr soft point worked fine.

If you haven't already done so, take down the action and liberally lube/clean the firing pin. Mine was gummed up with ancient oil. And taking apart the front end of the rifle can be rather entertaining

A modern version of that cartridge, with a .223 case head blown out to .357 caliber could be a darned interesting round for an AR.

BWAAHAHAHA, they are funny cool little rifles Tex, that's the bullet I have on the way, the 180 Hawk and 19 gr of 4227 is where I'm gonna start, I'll chrono some of the old loaded fmj and softs and keep my speeds there, I've read this is one rifle design I DONT want to fool around with hot-rodding it.

Good to see it will kill deer safely loaded as you show here.

I actually saw a .38-55 in a 94 rifle this weekend; at first glance I thought it was a modern gun, but I looked again and realized it was a 1894, around 400,000 s/n. It had been carefully refinished, down to re-engraving the lettering. The price was reasonable, and I may have to give this one another look.

Tex,
Oopps, fat finger typo, my 351 SL load is running '1841 fps,' action still functions fine at those speeds, haven't had any function issues to date with my rifle, but, on your bit about yours being gummed a bit, did drip a bit of Kroil down/around the firing pin hole in the bolt and propped it up at straight 12 o'clock for a couple days to soak, wiped her out and re oiled with a bit of Lucas Gun Oil, and she's off to the races and ready to rip.

Did notice a hairline crack on the left upper portion of the forearm, figuring there's a sliding counterweight of sorts in there kinda beating things about, if it begins to bother me I'll have 'Smith repair the crack and relieve the wood if available to do so.