a mark 6 is a very very expensive scope. one has to ask at this price point how is a scope like this getting out the door?!?! do they not test these before they leave the factory?
to all the fixed power leupold fans that say oh the fixed power leupolds work great. The test is conducted by one of the most creditable people out there. This is why serious people don't trust leupold. This is why people that know are sick of the problems. So before you go touting leupold as all that, you better look first. We have a fixed power "target" scope tested, we have one of their upper end scopes tested, and we have their highest end scope tested. All scopes failed at doing the one thing they were meant to do. Work in a competitive environment, No one can say these are set it and forget it scopes that are not being used as intended.
I finally gave up on leupold when a mark 4, ie leupolds cranking model would be off zero every time I went and checked the gun at the range. This was also after a trip back to leupold to fix the problem. it would fail and wonder zero. and be off as much as 6 inches high and 4 inches left. after cranking and using the turrets. since I have changed to nightforce I have not adjusted the zero on that rifle in the 2 years the scope has been on that gun. I have also used the turrets ALOT more .
a mark 6 is a very very expensive scope. one has to ask at this price point how is a scope like this getting out the door?!?! do they not test these before they leave the factory?
to all the fixed power leupold fans that say oh the fixed power leupolds work great. The test is conducted by one of the most creditable people out there. This is why serious people don't trust leupold. This is why people that know are sick of the problems. So before you go touting leupold as all that, you better look first. We have a fixed power "target" scope tested, we have one of their upper end scopes tested, and we have their highest end scope tested. All scopes failed at doing the one thing they were meant to do. Work in a competitive environment, No one can say these are set it and forget it scopes that are not being used as intended.
I finally gave up on leupold when a mark 4, ie leupolds cranking model would be off zero every time I went and checked the gun at the range. This was also after a trip back to leupold to fix the problem. it would fail and wonder zero. and be off as much as 6 inches high and 4 inches left. after cranking and using the turrets. since I have changed to nightforce I have not adjusted the zero on that rifle in the 2 years the scope has been on that gun. I have also used the turrets ALOT more .
I'm not a Leupold basher. I just know I've had more problems with them than any other brand. I've also had a Swarovski 3-9x36 that wouldn't track properly, so I'd have to say it happens to the best of them. Honestly, I'd much rather have a scope that I know is going to work and never have to go back to the factory for repairs. Even if those scopes are far less money than a good leupold or swaro. One that never has to go back to the factory and doesn't cost an arm and a leg (burris FFII, Zeiss or Nikon for example) has a lot of sex appeal to me as a hunter. Hell, some of the cheaper scopes I have work better than much more expensive Leupolds and those are what I consider throw away scopes...When they go tits up, chit can them. Simple as that... Good customer service doesn't do you a damn bit of good when you are away from home and out on a hunt..... Leupold lovers flame away:
I can already hear the Leupold lovers sniveling...Finally figured out what SLM is short for: Sniveling Little Man....
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
i used to have 20 or more leupolds down to 4 or five. the only thing they have that works is the warrenty.
Ed
I have 70+ Leupold currently in service and have only sent a couple of 1960s vintage 3-9x40 back for cleaning, due to lens coating flaking inside the scope.
I am not a turret turner, more of a zero 'em and leave 'em user.
i used to have 20 or more leupolds down to 4 or five. the only thing they have that works is the warrenty.
Ed
I have 70+ Leupold currently in service and have only sent a couple of 1960s vintage 3-9x40 back for cleaning, due to lens coating flaking inside the scope.
I am not a turret turner, more of a zero 'em and leave 'em user.
Yup.
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I've had a Vari X 2-7 on a 7 mag for 20 years. I hunted it hard for 10 and it has never moved after initial zero. i don't crank on it though. I've also had a VXII 4-12 AO for maybe 12 years. It sits on a 22 RF and it tracks well going from 25-50-100 yards. Adjustments are precise and repeatable. Maybe these are the exception but I doubt it.
I'm not sure that the QC on anything since VXII changed to VX2 is as good.
That's three scooes, however, I see dozens(s) a year. Nearly all get tested. The videos above are representative of Leupolds..... And most everyone else as well.
Plainly- They suck. Or more appropriately- they do not work correctly.
If the error is consistent and correctable with a modified drop chart I would think that would be fine for those who actually check the scope to begin with.
i used to have 20 or more leupolds down to 4 or five. the only thing they have that works is the warrenty.
Ed
I have 70+ Leupold currently in service and have only sent a couple of 1960s vintage 3-9x40 back for cleaning, due to lens coating flaking inside the scope.
I am not a turret turner, more of a zero 'em and leave 'em user.
If the error is consistent and correctable with a modified drop chart I would think that would be fine for those who actually check the scope to begin with.
Unfortunately, no. Dead spots, flat spots, backlash, and failure to return to zero are all extremely common.
I am a turret twister, on everything. If you could be perfectly zero'd for whatever distance you're shooting RIGHT NOW, why wouldn't you? (I do actually understand why, I just don't want to hamstring myself like that.)
Did a little checking, looks like I sold my last Leupold over three years ago. Can't say I've been very tempted by them since. I can remember working hard to get Leupold's on all my rifles...
Sold my 2 Leopolds due to tracking issues. Both went back to Leopold 3 times each. When they came back, they would work for a while then crap out and not return to zero consistently. I got enough money for them to buy a swfa 3x9, and a good set of rings. A good trade.
I have experience using Leupolds in a professional capacity, and can attest that in the last 10 years there have been a TON of problems with Leupolds not tracking properly, and losing zero for various reasons.
I was issued both 2.5-10 MK IVs and fixed 10MK IVs and have seen a BUNCH of them with problems. Sadly the solution was often just to zero at a mid distance like 600 yards and then just do mil hold overs/unders.
There is very good reason why Leupolds continue to get replaced by NF, S&B, USO, etc. in the upper circles.
Their prices continue to climb and quality continues to spiral.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL.
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