Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Lavoy Finicum on his side of the story

A good lesson in constitutional law and a government out of control
from an old cowboy who died with his boots on in the name of freedom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g8yfsr7N-E

Latest is .gov planted the gun he supposedly had. Serial numbers didn't match any of the guns in his records.

All of his guns had paper?

His own records that he kept. This is according to his wife.

He didn't die in the name of freedom.

How convenient. Dont suppose he could have set that up beforehand? He was a nutjob who was fighting for the wrong cause and did a terrible job of it thank goodness. I saw the video. LE did nothing wrong, that guy committed suicide by cop.

You sound like an expert. There was no sound, how do you know if, when his hands came down he wasn't responding to being shot to begin with? Or was he shot when the police initially fired on the truck at the first stop. You are speculating on things you have no idea about. How do you know the police didn't have a throw down gun for him? You don't know nearly what you think you know.

He must have got a new pair of chinks for the video!

Was he reaching for a weapon or reaching for his wounds?




There were over a 1000 people at his funeral yesterday.

Whatever happened, its a sad day for all.

Thought his presentation very interesting and educational. No question he committed suicide by cop, but I admire the man for feeling strongly enough about his principles to die for them. Hope I'm not on a watch list now!

It was that. Interesting the feds couldn't be bothered in Ferguson but let a few ranchers in a piddly little place in Oregon minding their own business becomes a federal case. Sherrif was ex-BLM as well. I think the cards were stacked against them.

Especially for his family. Like any family, it's hard for them to think their dad (brother, son, cousin) did wrong or was at fault.

Some things I'd like to know:
-how long had he worked that permit?
-obit I read said he mostly worked in property management
-how many cows was he running? (I have heard 48)
- I NEVER met a public lands rancher who couldn't tell you how big his pastures were.
-I wonder what he meant by "in six years I never grazed this pasture off"
- what's up with the chaps? that's not brushy country. Or was that for the camera?
-tank looked a little low, and some of that green was tumbleweed. Not a prime ranch.
-did he have land (private property) on the ranch, or did he live in town, and leave his cows out on the BLM?

I need to research the legitimacy of his argument.

Yeah, because no one owns a gun they didn't tell their wife about.

Even if he hadn't been armed, he appeared to be reaching for a weapon after running 2 roadblocks

He's not some "hero". He's an old dead fool

There's an analysis of the video out there that claims he was reaching for where he had been shot. Can't really tell from the video. Must say, on his youtube vid (above) he comes across as a likeable, intelligent guy who really believes what he preaches. Again, hope I'm not on a watch list now!

I'm betting you don't "know" any more than anyone else who wasn't directly involved

This guy has some logical ideas on the subject and shows supporting facts:

http://bearingarms.com/lavoy-finicum-murdered-forced-oregon-police-shoot/

This, A man is dead, a daughter is fatherless, a wife is husbandless, a brother is brotherless, ect, ect.

One thing is for certain Lavoy wasn't just a dumb ole rancher.

I too thought Lavoy was at fault and the shoot was good but now realize that the video as it was released is not enough.

I am certain there is more than just the soundless video of this incident, it will be interesting to see if it gets released in time. We'll see.

Nazi Occupation Replaces Militia Occupation in East Oregon: “Papers Examined Under Gunpoint”

http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-p...-papers-examined-under-gunpoint_02052016

This article was written by Dave Hodges and originally published at his The Common Sense Show website.

Editor’s Comment: It is unreal – after militia protest the overreach of the federal government – the feds turn East Oregon into a militarized police state, under occupation by goons armed with much more serious weaponry than any ranchers or protesters carried.

The unfortunate turn of events for the key players in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupation has revealed the heavy hand of the control freaks who have taken over the country. The uneasy atmosphere of “papers please” environment in the wake of a controversial and sensitive highway shooting has quite the dramatic atmosphere of further trouble brewing, not unlike pre-revolutionary America… and maybe revolutionary again.

Nazi Occupation Storm Troopers Have Taken Over Eastern Oregon

by Dave Hodges

Steve Quayle has written one of the most informative and timely books of this era entitled Empire Beneath the Ice-How the Nazis Won World War II. In the book, Steve makes the point that Nazis were never defeated, they simply transferred their centers of power. Nowhere is Steve’s book more telling than it is in Eastern Oregon where the Gestapo has moved in with all the heinous depravity befitting the Nazi Empire.

Papers Please

The phrase, “papers please”, was the hallmark and poster child phrase of Nazi occupation in the World War II era. In Oregon, the American version of the Gestapo, the Federal government occupation forces have set up its Gestapo practices on state owned and privately owned land in a wholly unconstitutional action. But since when did the Constitution deter this criminal administration from doing anything? In Eastern Oregon, near the site of the murder of Lavoy Finicum, the public’s identity papers are being examined while under gunpoint. And of course, every rancher in the area is keenly aware that any kind of perceived resistance will be met with extreme prejudice.

In this Infowars interview, conducted by David Knight, a local rancher, who was forced to produce his papers under gunpoint, shares what it is like to have guns pointed in his face as he travels to and from his home to his property in rural Amerika.

In the video, this rancher was noticeably distraught and stressed out as it was obvious that he was afraid to criticize this criminal government for the murder of a fellow rancher. This rancher’s comments, caught on tape by David Knight, speaks to an even greater threat to Amerika, the fear of government reprisal.

Coincidence Or Another Murder?

In The Common Sense Show interview with Shawna Cox in which she established the fact that she was ordered to surrender her guns as a precondition to her release from jail following her arrest at the scene of the murder of Lavoy Finicum.

Subsequently, Shawn Cox’s son-in-law moved the guns to his work space from the Cox household. And just coincidentally, that very night, he dies in a mysterious fire in the work area. Coincidence or a second murder? After dealing with this criminal administration for the past seven years, I stopped believing in coincidences a long time ago.

Nazis take delight in creating false flag events. The Reichstag fire is a prime example of how Nazi’s do business. And now we have a modern day version of this event with the suspicious death of Shawn’s son-in-law.

When the smoke cleared from the Reichstag fire, Hitler was quick to blame the communists and they executed many communist leaders. After the execution of Lavoy Finicum this modern day version of the Nazis are seeking to vilify all ranchers and move them off of their land once and for all.

There is one public official who does honor his Constitutional oath of office and that is Governor Gary Herbert. After three years of dancing with the Federal government, Herbert is taking back 31 million acres of land illegally obtained by the federal government.

Some may consider this to be a bad parallel, but I view Governor Herbert’s actions in the same light as when the state of South Carolina bombarded Ft. Sumter. This is a very serious undertaking by the Governor and will no doubt be met with extreme hostility by the Obama administration because apparently, Governor Herbert did not get the memo regarding Agenda 21 and the Wildlands designations in the West. What am I talking about, if you are new to Agenda 21, take a look at the following map and you can begin to see why the ranchers in America have a short shelf life, a very short shell life in the case of Lavoy Finicum.

It would be interesting to know if he had a gut full of cancer or some other such malady.

Look up "jurisdiction".
You seem confused about what it means

Subsequently, Shawn Cox’s son-in-law moved the guns to his work space from the Cox household. And just coincidentally, that very night, he dies in a mysterious fire in the work area. Coincidence or a second murder? After dealing with this criminal administration for the past seven years, I stopped believing in coincidences a long time ago.


I wonder what is up with that???