Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Onlyl a barbaric nation drafts it's mothers and daughters....

To date, females in combat have been an unmitigated failure and "doomed to success"...

I never knew that the ONLY thing military did was ground combat 24/7/365.....

I"m not disagreeing, but there are plenty of jobs when war is in full swing....

Women could free up more men to actually fight....

Jeff, the entire impetus of the proposal to register women with selective service is BASED on opening up combat duty for women. I am NOT against women being drafted in general wartime, just NEVER in combat arms. EVERY other MOS in the service is to support the pointy end of the spear. Leave it at that.

I doubt any with a clue as to military service would find fault with that position, and it's held by (I think) the majority of folks on this thread.

I'm all for equal rights. Women have asked for it and so they'll get it.

They should be treated the same, drafted, trained, held to the same standards, tested equally, deployed equally. They should have their wounds dressed with the same bandages and be zipped into the same bags as men.


Treated this way they'll soon be petitioning for going back to the way things used to be.

Have to say I agree with the idea that women want "equality" when it is in their favor and discrimination when it is in their favor as well, as do most people. The problem is you can't have it both ways.

They demanded equality, poor choice. Now they have to get off that pedestal they used to get to sit on.

Want equal say in how the country is run. You also get equal burden of making it run. So drop your Bonbons, put down the remote for your soap operas and get out there and work like your husbands have always done.

When the draft starts or more directly when the shooting starts, they will regret all this equality crap they have been shoving down everyone's throat.

Tucker, I have NEVER seen a woman doing a garbage collectors job, nor have I even HEARD of female miners. Loggers?? Steel mill workers? Any females??? Are women lined up at the employment office for any of these jobs?? I think not. I doubt that they ever will as the jobs have no "glamor". They are dirty, dangerous and middle of the road in pay. No air conditioning or water coolers, no heated building in the winter, nahh, they really don't want true "equality".

Notice that NONE of the candidates in the debate actually answered the question?

The question was NOT "should women be ALLOWED to fight in combat?" That's the question that they all answered. The question was "should women be REQUIRED to sign up for Selective Service?" And Selective Service is basically creating a list of people to draw from in a draft.

If any of them were smart, they should have answered something like this: "I don't believe that women should be required to sign up for Selective Service, but if they WANT to VOLUNTARILY join the military, they should be allowed to do so."

Leaving aside all of the other gender/fraternization/camraderie issues, it is unrealistic to pretend that most women could perform at 100% effectiveness in most combat roles. I know that my daughers are strong/tough ladies and that whomever they were shooting at would get hit. But, that's a small piece and I wouldn't want or expect them to be in combat roles.

I treasure good women and have worked to insure equal opportunity in many ways. But, it seems sensible to keep in mind that not all women have campaigned for the stupidly endless litany of "rights" as pushed by the feminist loudmouths and not all women should be treated as if they were so ridiculous as to push the extreme agendas.

If some women really want combat opportunity, let them sign up - or register for any draft - and then show that they can cut the mustard - the entire mustard - no bending of the rules and requirements. Just as I am grateful and admire our fighting men, I would admire any gal that could do all of that at high standards.

I guess I have to Disagree. Having Served In Vietnam, and
Iraq. I,d Rather Serve with a volunteer unit with women than a unit with draftees. My last unit in Iraq was a
guntruck unit with 23 women and 133 men. We never had any trouble with women in my unit. I will grant you it,s
not infantry, but most jobs in the Army can be done by
women. Not every unit is in combat every day. We had 8
wounded in one year. But on the other side one week
we fired 12,000 rounds of 50 cal ammo.

Exactly right.

I'm not sure what the basic load of an infantryman in EvilTwins day was, but today it runs pretty close to 100 pounds.

I spent 21 years in combat arms and IMO women don't belong there, but I always thought we could of cut about the bottom 1/4 of the men out too.

If it was up to me I'd have 2 PT standards for the Army. non combat arms minimum would be 180 on the 18-21 male standards and combat arms would be 250 on the 18-21 male standard. I would also have a 4 hour and 3 hour standard for a 12 mile ruck march (45 lb)respectively.

You got everything dead right except one. It's 100#, dry. And, without having to carry part of anyone else's load due to injury or incapacity.

We have a female trash truck driver here.

My wife hates glamor, would rather be outside doing somtehing.. she has her own chaps, chainsaw etc... she's outside when its to hot for my tastes running or jogging etc...

She was very unhappy when they passed her over for a local camps maintenance director, she would have been outside all the time shredding, mowing, cutting limbs, and so on...

But she is a rare gem for sure. Doesn't even own a dress. I don't care for dresses either. LOL.

The whole thing in a nutshell, is I don't care what you are, if you can meet the "regs" and do your job I"m good with it.

I'd trust my wife in combat in a heartbeat, but probably couldn't find anotehr I could trust like that at all or ever likely.

But again, they are part of the country and in a time of need we should ALL step forward and be assigned what we can be good with.

Weights can vary a bunch depending on mission, buddy of mine told me about jumping into Panama with a Ranger Bn and his ruck went about 140lbs. Heaviest ruck I ever jumped with was about 115. I was just under the max weight limit for the chute to have a safe descent speed (safe being relative). I ended up walking about 7 miles that night and it sucked.

That's based on your and/or your wife's time in the military?

I totally agree. Not just barbaric, but stupid. It's like chopping your house up for firewood.

To those who have a "let em fry" attitude, it's not just the women who suffer, it's the entire nation that suffers such idiocy.

Jorge,

I remember reading many years ago in what I considered a credible source at the time.

The Israelis did put women into ground combat units for a period of time. The experiment was considered a failure and the practice discontinued because casualty rates increased by several hundred percent on BOTH sides of the battle.

It seems the Israeli commanders simply could not prevent the troops taking high risks when there were women to protect.

I certainly wish I could provide a source, but the information came from long before internet days.

My thoughts, too. Be careful what you ask for............

Hey if they want to play lumberjack, let them. If they can meet the unchanged standards, go for it.
Last time I checked, females don't become mothers and daughters unless there is a male in the immediate vicinity. F_ _ _ _ National Review.

On the other hand, females in the forward areas haver been a colossal disaster!
Social engineering can be a little tough.