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Think one of these would be fun, but can't figure out which way to go. Currently leaning toward 26 Nosler as it has no belt, can fit in a long action, and seems pretty well supported by Nosler.
Anyone else thinking about this?
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Yeah I've been considering a pre-64 Model 70 in .264 WM for awhile now. Mostly to use on an Alaskan Dall sheep hunt.
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Don't think it makes THAT much difference with good hand loads...that being said, I've always thought the .264 was super cool(although I've never owned one).
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Anyone else thinking about this?
No. But if I were, I'd go and immediately buy 500 to 1000 rounds of brass and the first one for which I could do that would be my choice.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Yeah I've been considering a pre-64 Model 70 in .264 WM for awhile now. Mostly to use on an Alaskan Dall sheep hunt. A gun store in El Paso has a Pre '64 M 70 .264 Win mag for $1700,would like to own it but..... Of the three,I would choose the 6.5-300 Wby.
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264 brass is easily made from 7 Rem mag , which will always be available as long as we can burn gunpowder.....
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Be different. Go 6.5 rem mag!
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Another vote for the 264 WM. Brass is available or, easily made, and there are rifles out there to be had.
I have a 264 and really enjoy shooting it. As sdgunslinger noted, brass can be made from 7mm Mag ammo and your better LGS will probably have a couple of boxes of ammo for you to try out if you don't re-load.
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264 brass is easily made from 7 Rem mag , which will always be available as long as we can burn gunpowder..... sd: The 264 would be my choice. I keep flirting with getting another pre 64. have to admit I did like mine.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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264 model 70 shoots lights out.
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My 264 launches a 125gr Partition at 3300fps. Pretty fair open country deer getter. Don't think I need/want any more speed
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A fellow posted a pre 64 .264 on Trapshooters.com not long ago. It was around $1200 if I remember correctly. Not in perfect shape, but it might be worthwhile to look for if you want one!
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Personally, i think the 264 is about the max case you'd want coupled with a 6.5 bullet. Not sure why the latest push for giant magnums pushing a 6.5 bullet. The 140 bullets seem to perform magically in the 2900-3100 fps range.
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6.5-06 if I were building from scratch. On year 3 playing with a .264 WM and agree it's as big of case as you need. Really can't come that close to 100% load density.
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264WM only because I have owned mine since 1963.
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So long term winner is .264?
Main focus is to buy a cartridge that will be well supported over time.
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I should be getting my 6.5 Bee form their custom shop any day
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I should be getting my 6.5 Bee form their custom shop any day Give us a report as soon as possible. I have two RC'c coming in for customers but was told they would not ship until April 1.
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For my purposes the 26 Nosler and 67.5-300 WBY are ‘too much of a good thing’. Factory ammo is expensive, both Nosler and Weatherby use 26” barrels to get the velocity, Nosler brass is over $2 each, recoil is in the 300WM range and they burn a lot more powder for little gain.
My choice was a 6.5-06AI for a couple reasons, one being the action I wanted to use had a .30-06-sized bolt face and cartridge follower. A 6.5-06 would have sufficed but properly headstamped brass was $2 each. Going AI provided a velocity boost and assured that the formed and loaded cartridges would not fit into a standard chamber, regardless of whether I fire-formed the cases using .25-06, .270 Win or .280 Rem brass. (In the end I went with necked up .25-06 brass.) With a 24” barrel I get 3161fps with a 130g Scirocco II. While that is shy of the 3400fps Nosler claims, or the marginally faster claims for the 6.5-300 WBY, brass is cheap, the loads only burn 58.5g of powder, I’m not carrying around a 26” barrel and recoil is pretty mild. The fire-form loads consist of 49.0g H4831SC and a 140g A-MAX for 2760fps. They are so accurate and gentle I sometimes wonder why I don’t just build a standard 65.-06. Two days ago I was using the fire-form loads to bust clay pigeons off the 600-yard berm because 500 was too easy and I was short on pigeons. I ended up busting 8 pigeons at 600 with about 30 shots. While I missed more than I hit, the misses were usually just off the edges.
If I was building another fast 6.5 from scratch total rifle weight, barrel length and recoil would be primary considerations and I would happily trade a bit of velocity for a handier, lighter rifle. Having spent a lot of time researching this in the last week, I'd go with another 6.5-06AI or a .264 Win Mag in a standard long-action cartridge. In a short action my choice for fast would be a 6.5-300RCM or 6.5SAUM.
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