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The wind you have is a bigger factor than most places. I bought my first "mountain" tent after western Oklahoma winds broke a couple of decent tents down. A tent not built for that will drive you nuts with flapping and with wind blowing through the tent under the fly. A lot of backpacking tents have mostly mesh bodies. That's not good in high winds.
Don't forget to buy some better stakes. Most backpacking tents come with stakes that just won't hold in high wind. Sure, they'll hold in gusts, but our constant wind will "work" stakes loose over time.
Good advice is to get a really warm bag and don't skimp on the sleeping pad. I use two pads, one an inexpensive ridge rest and then a warm foam pad.
If you are going to use a cot, you'll want a bigger tent. I'll warn you that setting up a big tent in high winds can be a real pain. For a smaller dome tent, say 4 person or less, I've found a candle lantern to do a good job of knocking the chill off in weather hanging around the freezing mark.
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For a cold weather pad, I use an insulated air mattress rated at R3.5. Then I put an ensolite pad on top of it. So far it's worked fine but I haven't tested it at 0.
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We have run the Mr Buddy heaters in a tent (Bomb Shelter and Cabelas 6-man) and they keep you warm. I like it a bit cold when I sleep, so generally don't do that unless it is really cold. It comes with complications of course, in that you need to provide ventilation. It is pretty nice in the morning to lean out of your cot, kick on the heater, and then wait 10 minutes to get up into a nice warm tent. If you want to get really fancy, cover up the high traffic areas of your tent with These Keeps the feet warm. Hey, luxury is underrated. Lots of good tricks mentioned already. Nalgene full of hot water in the foot of the bag is one of my favorites. Try to not be cold when you first get in the bag, whether that means 20 jumping jacks outside the tent or having a heater. Then of course, there is whiskey.
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I will add that one of the biggest factor in staying warm is a good stocking cap that stays on. Keeping that heat from escaping from the top of your head makes a huge difference. This x 1000. If your dome-piece gets cold, good luck staying warm. Tanner Notice I said "stays on".. (grin) I had one beanie on a hunt that would work it's way off during the night. Wake up freezing cold, find it, put it back on, and be warm again in 10 minutes. I know they supposedly debunked the myth of heat escaping through your head, but every experience I have had either cold weather camping or winter fishing has told me to keep my head covered with a beanie. No doubt, they like to come off in a mummy bag often! I've taken to either using a beanie with strings that'll tie under the chin or putting a hood on over the beanie as an extra layer. Seems to work well. Hate me.. but wiggys sells a lite sleeping hood, that we use in AK every fall... allows the head to be out to breathe normal air.. LOL, but stays in place all night.
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We have run the Mr Buddy heaters in a tent (Bomb Shelter and Cabelas 6-man) and they keep you warm. I like it a bit cold when I sleep, so generally don't do that unless it is really cold. It comes with complications of course, in that you need to provide ventilation. It is pretty nice in the morning to lean out of your cot, kick on the heater, and then wait 10 minutes to get up into a nice warm tent. If you want to get really fancy, cover up the high traffic areas of your tent with These Keeps the feet warm. Hey, luxury is underrated. Lots of good tricks mentioned already. Nalgene full of hot water in the foot of the bag is one of my favorites. Try to not be cold when you first get in the bag, whether that means 20 jumping jacks outside the tent or having a heater. Then of course, there is whiskey. The getting warm is a big key, insulation is neutral. Most don't consider this. Same with getting up in the morning, IMHO, we keep our clothes in the bag, not on, but in the bag, putting a cold layer on is a key to getting a chill first thing.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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A really good double bag with a really good pad underneath with a female (in my case) companion/girlfriend/wife inside. leave all clothes out of the bag and max heat will be conducted........YMMV Emphasis on "leave all clothes out of the bag" Though I recommend putting them back in the bag after the heat is generated.
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Western Mountaineering makes awesome stuff. My wool stocking cap from Filson keeps my head warm. I also recommend lightweight down slippers. They stuff into a ziplock back the size of my hand.
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My wife uses adhesive chemical heat packs stuck inside her bag too
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The Indians used to trade horses for wives. During a cold winter, a woman who weighed over 200 was worth an extra 2 horses.
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[quote=Calvin]I will add that one of the biggest factor in staying warm is a good stocking cap that stays on. Keeping that heat from escaping from the top of your head makes a huge difference. I know they supposedly debunked the myth of heat escaping through your head No, this has never been "debunked", except maybe retardsville. The NATO "brass man" studies at Natick labs decades ago proved this conclusively.
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Question if I may...you are not talking about backpacking, are you?
You seem to be aiming more at a base camp and packing from there.
Yes, I'm looking for more of a base camp type deal. But I'm prefer something quick and easy lightweight, lightweight, and very portable. I don't want to put up a $500 canvas tent for a quick overNight hunt. I figured this Forum was the closest I could find to gather information from some experts. Buy a tent WITHOUT mesh. Instead, find one that the mesh in a door and window with a mesh door and window that can be covered/zipped closed with a nylon door and window. Manufacturers are making tents with lots of mesh because it makes for a lightweight advertised weight--and most folks are buying tents based on weight. Of course, I'm assuming you're not hunting along the Appalachian trail in July........ I've camped at 10K ft in January while teleskiing and on a couple occasions nighttime temps 10-20 below. Three guys in a 4 man tent can keep temps 20 degrees above outside temps. Light up the stove to boil water for breakfast and it doesn't take long for temps to be downright toasty before crawling out of your bag. Buy a bag that is rated at least 10 degrees lower than what you expect outside temps to be, one with a hood, a draft collar and is roomy enough to wear long underwear, a beanie, and wool socks or booties. In other words a four season is very good, a mountaineering tent is generally overly heavy overkill. I've had the chance to look at the Foidel Canyon and the Slater UV from Big Agnes and like them both. Both are a little short on headroom but that tends to be the trade-off for shedding wind. Casey
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My most recent Jeep-camping trip a couple of weeks ago: 30+ year old Northface synthetic fill bag, couple of foam pads underneath and my summer backpacking tent. Slept just fine at 59 years old. When I'm backpacking, I use an equally old Northface down mummy bag. Have slept just fine with either setup, in some pretty doggone cold temps. That said, there is something pretty wonderful about just stoking the wood stove first thing in the morning, in a classic wall tent. Guy
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Get yourself an Arctic Oven and your cold days spent winter camping will be over, permanently.
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If you're going from a heavy base camp, pretty tough to whoop an Arctic Oven with a small propane heater. Although if I were to be hunting in an area with more readily available downed timber for fuel, I would have a hard time not going with a lightweight teepee tent like Kifaru or Seek Outside's offerings paired with their stoves. Those things get really warm. and are lightweight to boot. Tanner
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Put one of these under your inflatable. With a quality 20* bag on 20* night you'll be wishing you'd brought your 30* bag. http://www.cascadedesigns.com/therm-a-rest/mattresses/trek-and-travel/ridge-rest-solite/productI take a large cut it in half. Use it to keep me warm glassing. Then at night it goes under my inflatable.
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Buy a bag that is rated at least 10 degrees lower than what you expect outside temps to be Read the fine print. A few years ago I looked at a bag rated to 20. In the fine print it said that their ratings were for the temperature that you would keep you alive, not comfortable.
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Tanner:
What size oven is that and what sort of stove is attached to the stove pipe?
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Tanner:
What size oven is that and what sort of stove is attached to the stove pipe?
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Tanner:
What size oven is that and what sort of stove is attached to the stove pipe? Nu-Way 3500 http://nuwaystove.com/product/model-3500/Arctic Oven 10. Tanner
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Buy a bag that is rated at least 10 degrees lower than what you expect outside temps to be Read the fine print. A few years ago I looked at a bag rated to 20. In the fine print it said that their ratings were for the temperature that you would keep you alive, not comfortable. Two inches of loft (each side) will take a well fed adult male to about freezing with comfortable sleep. Warm sleepers 10F less, most females 10F higher. North Face (who's ratings are trustworthy) rate the Cat's Meow at 20F, the women's model at 30F. Every 10 degrees lower will require slightly less than another inch of loft(per side). Once you know this you can eyeball a sleeping bag and know about how low you can sleep in it.
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